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Aug 18, 2014 15:16 |  #1

I've been a 30d owner for 8 years now and I mostly use it for motor sport shots and the occasional portrait. My glass is reasonably cheap as I can't justify huge sums of money on photography as a hobby (a man has to buy his guitars you know!).

Any way, I've had a full frame itch for about 18 months now and all but 1 of my lenses (18-55 kit lens) are EF. I've seen some 5d's up for £300 - £350 which is just about in my price range for a second body. We're heading off for a few days by the coast so I'm sorely tempted. Generally, I'm happy without the bells and whistles as like to think about what I'm shooting and generally don't fire and forget.

Treading on dangerous ground?

I've contemplated the extra £400 on a MkII but can't justify that sort of money as I'm a hobbyist.


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Aug 18, 2014 15:35 |  #2

Get the 5D and don't look back. I went from a 30D to the 5D and, well. The 30D just sat in my bag, untouched, until I sold it. :)

The 5D is wonderful, you won't regret it.



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Aug 18, 2014 16:13 |  #3

Get the 5d big improvement in image quality, nice big bright viewfinder


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Aug 18, 2014 19:01 |  #4

I went from a 20D to a 5D, absolutely zero regrets. Go for it.


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Aug 18, 2014 19:33 |  #5

For mostly motorsports? No, don't do it.

Get a 50D or 60D instead.


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Aug 18, 2014 20:11 |  #6

I say 7d




  
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Aug 18, 2014 20:17 |  #7

I just got a 50D (£275 from WEX and almost perfect, they really do list every minor mark in the discription). This was as an upgrade from a 20D, which has the same sensor as your 30D. Price was one factor, the fact that I could use the same grip and batteries as the 20D along with CF cards and a PC socket for my studio flash system was one reason not to look at the 60D. The move to the 14 bit ADC really makes a difference in the quality of the image. I mostly shoot airshows, and yesterday I did the Sywell show using the 50D and a rented Tamron 150-600. Not had a chance to process the images yet though as I have been processing images from my local clubs FA Cup match which I shot on Saturday. They have worked really well.

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Aug 18, 2014 20:20 |  #8

Steezy B wrote in post #17104317 (external link)
I say 7d

With prices dropping this is a very sound choice for what you shoot.


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Aug 18, 2014 20:38 as a reply to  @ FarmerTed1971's post |  #9

I tutored a person with a 50D while I had a 5Dc. When it comes to AF, I don't think the 50D is any better then the 5D. The 5D is still fine for motorsports, as it's tracking is OK. There's a limited number of AF points, so chances are you're going to be sticking with the center AF. The stills IQ of the 5D is still nice: it's got lower resolution and DR then the current equivalents, but is pretty good quality for the price.


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Aug 19, 2014 00:25 as a reply to  @ davesrose's post |  #10

Main drawbacks of the 5D in comparison to the 50D or 7D that have also been mentioned are the frame rate (something like 3fps) and the higher density of the APS-C cameras.

The 5D IQ is probably better than those but for sports alone where you are focal length limited (especially on a budget) the higher density sensor makes up for thousands of dollars in glass.


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Aug 19, 2014 00:38 |  #11

Heya,

Since you shoot motorsports, and sometimes a portrait, I don't think you're going to really get everything you think you're going to get from fullframe by going to the 5D classic. The internet will have you believe that fullframe is magic. But today's modern APS-C is better than the 5D was. So really, I would say that if you want the least expensive full frame for the purpose of the thinnest tightest depth of field control, the 5D can be that for you. If you want to continue shooting sports, and you want a much better sensor, dynamic range, etc, but are on a budget, then look to a modern APS-C, like a used T5i, 60D, even a 7D is becoming affordable.

I shoot a 5D classic myself, as my full frame, but only for portrait. I use modern APS-C for everything else (landscape, wildlife, macro, astro, you name it). I don't recommend the 5D as a cure all, because it's not the most robust camera these days for sports, it's ISO is quite limited by today's standards, it's resolution limits cropping, it doesn't have fast FPS (not that it's a big deal though really), etc.

I like my 5D. Great for using a viewfinder. Great for manual glass. But no Live View. It's autofocus is not something I'm impressed with by any means. It's ISO performance is ok, but it's not what you can get on even a modern APS-C. I look at the 5D as one of those good cameras for general photography and especially for portraiture for today. And that's what I use it for.

Otherwise, again, I would recommend a T5i, 60D, or 7D instead for what you're describing, on a budget, as a hobbyist. Full frame doesn't just change the game for you. It's just another tool, and if you don't have a need for what it offers, then it's not really the right tool every time. Also consider, 300mm on full frame, is not what you're used to seeing on APS-C. Huge difference in field of view. So you'll be cropping to get the same frame up you're used to from the same distance.

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Aug 19, 2014 01:55 |  #12

this...

Sirrith wrote in post #17104253 (external link)
For mostly motorsports? No, don't do it.

Get a 50D or 60D instead.

..and this.. :)

MalVeauX wrote in post #17104698 (external link)
Heya,

Since you shoot motorsports, and sometimes a portrait, I don't think you're going to really get everything you think you're going to get from fullframe by going to the 5D classic. The internet will have you believe that fullframe is magic. But today's modern APS-C is better than the 5D was. So really, I would say that if you want the least expensive full frame for the purpose of the thinnest tightest depth of field control, the 5D can be that for you. If you want to continue shooting sports, and you want a much better sensor, dynamic range, etc, but are on a budget, then look to a modern APS-C, like a used T5i, 60D, even a 7D is becoming affordable.

I shoot a 5D classic myself, as my full frame, but only for portrait. I use modern APS-C for everything else (landscape, wildlife, macro, astro, you name it). I don't recommend the 5D as a cure all, because it's not the most robust camera these days for sports, it's ISO is quite limited by today's standards, it's resolution limits cropping, it doesn't have fast FPS (not that it's a big deal though really), etc.

I like my 5D. Great for using a viewfinder. Great for manual glass. But no Live View. It's autofocus is not something I'm impressed with by any means. It's ISO performance is ok, but it's not what you can get on even a modern APS-C. I look at the 5D as one of those good cameras for general photography and especially for portraiture for today. And that's what I use it for.

Otherwise, again, I would recommend a T5i, 60D, or 7D instead for what you're describing, on a budget, as a hobbyist. Full frame doesn't just change the game for you. It's just another tool, and if you don't have a need for what it offers, then it's not really the right tool every time. Also consider, 300mm on full frame, is not what you're used to seeing on APS-C. Huge difference in field of view. So you'll be cropping to get the same frame up you're used to from the same distance.

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Aug 19, 2014 02:23 |  #13

Short answer to your post question - no.
Personally i wouldn't try talk you out of it, and my reasoning is as such;

When i had a 5d and it was partnered with my 5d2 (at the time) i still found myself reaching for the 5d. The simplicity, the barebones, basic feel of it and the raw beauty (no pun intended) of the images. I didnt have great glass to start with either, but there was just something about the camera and images that made me smile every time i used it.

I have the same things at the moment with one of my rangefinders (epson rd-1s), with its basic, stripped down to the bones type functionality - you even have to cock the shutter first, but its a digital 6 MP sensor and even though its old, not made for all these high-iso, ultra dynamic range, etc. its pictures are beautiful. and i reach for it every time i want to just take a camera with me somewhere on a walk or trip.

So have a think about it. sometimes one has to buy with ones heart not ones head or pocket... :-) and the 5d is one of those moments, and at 300-350 quid you're looking at, judging by the 8 years your 30D has done you service, a rate of like 120 quid a year over 3 years, thats a tenner a month.

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Aug 19, 2014 02:27 |  #14

Hi thanks for the input all - I'll see if I can source a good one for tomorrow and if so I think I'll take the 5D plunge.

I believe the T5i, 60D and 7D all to be cropped sensors so I'll be avoiding these to scratch my itch; thanks for your input though.

The 5D seems to be a good value route into giving full frame a go, be interesting to compare with my 30D as I seem to recall they were being marketed and sold around the same time.

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Aug 19, 2014 02:55 |  #15

Stav_98 wrote in post #17104810 (external link)
Hi thanks for the input all - I'll see if I can source a good one for tomorrow and if so I think I'll take the 5D plunge.

I believe the T5i, 60D and 7D all to be cropped sensors so I'll be avoiding these to scratch my itch; thanks for your input though.

The 5D seems to be a good value route into giving full frame a go, be interesting to compare with my 30D as I seem to recall they were being marketed and sold around the same time.

Martin

If you just want to scratch an itch, then get a 1D II instead. It'll scratch your itch just fine, and will work better for your purposes than the 5Dc.. .


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