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Aug 20, 2014 07:05 |  #421

enginyr wrote in post #17105887 (external link)
That didn't take long at all...

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Remember the black spot issue when the 5D3 was released? ;)




  
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Aug 20, 2014 08:09 |  #422

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Remember the black spot issue when the 5D3 was released? ;)

Didn't the 5D2 very quickly need a firmware update because of random white pixels in the resulting image - some kind of numeric overflow when processing the sensor data?


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Aug 20, 2014 08:14 |  #423

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Didn't the 5D2 very quickly need a firmware update because of random white pixels in the resulting image - some kind of numeric overflow when processing the sensor data?

Black holes... I believe.

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Aug 20, 2014 08:22 |  #424

enginyr wrote in post #17105887 (external link)
That didn't take long at all...

http://www.popphoto.co​m …-d810-dslr?src=SOC&dom=fb (external link)

The price you pay for being a guinea pig. I mean early adapter :lol:


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Aug 20, 2014 08:59 |  #425

Beard Man wrote in post #17106078 (external link)
Typical for Nikon,like always !

Fuji X-T1 has the light leak issue.

Sony A7 series also has/had a light leak issue.

No matter how hard you test for defects, you will continue to see things come up.


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Aug 20, 2014 09:04 |  #426

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Oh, yeah, about that dinner invite, I just remembered I;'m very busy that night... :shock:


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Aug 20, 2014 09:25 |  #427

Ah yes - it was black and not white pixels.

Anyway - it's hard to create a high-end DSLR without having one or more bugs found first when the device has been released. A couple of thousand enthusiasts will quickly overrun any testing the manufacturer can manage.


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Aug 20, 2014 09:40 |  #428

pwm2 wrote in post #17107111 (external link)
Didn't the 5D2 very quickly need a firmware update because of random white pixels in the resulting image - some kind of numeric overflow when processing the sensor data?

I don't recall.

vipergts831 wrote in post #17107136 (external link)
The price you pay for being a guinea pig. I mean early adapter :lol:

It's not a problem when I have backups! :lol:




  
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Aug 20, 2014 17:06 |  #429

pwm2 wrote in post #17107261 (external link)
Ah yes - it was black and not white pixels.

Anyway - it's hard to create a high-end DSLR without having one or more bugs found first when the device has been released. A couple of thousand enthusiasts will quickly overrun any testing the manufacturer can manage.

For a device which costs $3000 you expect a high standard of testing. :mad:


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Aug 20, 2014 17:10 |  #430

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For a device which costs $3000 you expect a high standard of testing. :mad:

And still NASA or other space organizations regularly fail to catch everything. The high price is because it's a complicated product, so it doesn't give the manufacturer more money to dual- or tripple-test every feature.

A Rolls Royce on the other hand, is a significantly expensive car that does not include n-squared extra complications. Which means the higher price do give extra money for testing every part one or two times extra.


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Aug 20, 2014 17:36 |  #431

We aren't saying problems don't occur. We are comparing Canon's problems with Nikon's.

Nikon comes out with new cameras instead of fixing the problem. D610

Nikon = Trying to make an excellent product but lacking in customer support (requiring you to sue them to accept responsibility: D600 & D610)
Canon = In it for the long haul and realize that customer support is vital.

Nikon comes out with a new body every few minutes. WHERE ARE THE LENSES???


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Aug 20, 2014 17:37 |  #432

I know my 1D X had a weird little problem with lubricant splattering on the sensor that ultimately resulted in a recall of all our bodies. Not a big deal, but problems and manufacturing oversights can happen to the best of them.




  
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Aug 20, 2014 18:39 |  #433

enginyr wrote in post #17108181 (external link)
We aren't saying problems don't occur. We are comparing Canon's problems with Nikon's.

Nikon comes out with new cameras instead of fixing the problem. D610

Nikon = Trying to make an excellent product but lacking in customer support (requiring you to sue them to accept responsibility: D600 & D610)
Canon = In it for the long haul and realize that customer support is vital.

Nikon comes out with a new body every few minutes. WHERE ARE THE LENSES???

A bunch of them had better be in the other room or there is going to be some loud talking going on. :)
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Aug 21, 2014 04:31 |  #434

pwm2 wrote in post #17108142 (external link)
A Rolls Royce on the other hand, is a significantly expensive car that does not include n-squared extra complications. Which means the higher price do give extra money for testing every part one or two times extra.

Yeah the photography version of that is Leica... It would be nice if decent testing didn't have to cost $8000.


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Aug 21, 2014 06:10 |  #435

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Yeah the photography version of that is Leica... It would be nice if decent testing didn't have to cost $8000.

All of the software world is dreaming of smarter automatic tools to help with the testing. But the tools can just report bad programming practices. They can't figure out when an algorithm produces a different result than the requirements specification written in english wanted.

So we get tools that helps with buffer overflows, division by zero, memory leaks, uninitialized variables etc. But we still get software that solves a different problem than the requirements specifications wanted or what the end users expected.

And the world is full of QA managers and testers who doesn't want any errors to get past them, but who just have to accept that they can't catch everything.

Let's say a camera costs $8000. If a tester costs $50/h, then $8000 is enough for 160 hours of testing. But if we also assume a photographer earns $50/h, then that photographer will also quite quickly burn 160 hours of serious use of his gear just to get food on the table. Multiply this with 10000 photographers, and it will be obvious why us end users will so much quicker manage to scan through a huge number of combinations of settings and usage patterns and find problems that the QA staff missed despite having spent a number of man years looking for problems. Also remember that lots of the QA engineers aren't even photographers, so their expectations are different when they try to match seen behaviour with descriptions in test documents.


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