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Aug 22, 2014 10:52 |  #1

I have the 18-135 kits lens, 50mm f/1.8 III, 24-105 mm f/4 L. I actually just purchased the last lens for a great price and I'm loving it when I take it on museum excursions here in StL. I realize I need a wider angle lens and would prefer a zoom so that I could possibly be a walk around lens for me on the trip. I have the slower Sigma 10-20mm that I'm not real crazy about and am considering trading it in for a wider angle, more useful lens.

Considering the Sigma 17-50 f/2.8 or the Canon 17-55 f/2.8. I know the price difference and I realize neither would work on a future FF upgrade. I needa lens that would work for low lit museums/churches and would also work for narrow street photography. I also would like recommendations on what kit I should bring, given my having to lug it around europe for 3.5 weeks. Thank you in advance!


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Aug 22, 2014 11:42 |  #2

Either the Sigma 17-50 2.8 or Canon 17-55 2.8 would work. If you can afford to spend some more, I'd look into the Sigma 18-35 1.8 as well. That zoom lens is like having multiple primes in one, so you could just take that along with the 24-105 f4 on your 70D and be good to go.




  
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Aug 22, 2014 11:57 as a reply to  @ slookx24's post |  #3

Looking at your kit, here's what I'd buy: Nothing.

Going on a special trip, need a faster walk around zoom? Rent one.

Having owned the 17-55, the 24-105 and the 18-135 STM (the latter two currently), I see little difference (on a crop such as your 70D).

And you have a fast prime anyway.

If weight is a concern, then leave the 24-105 home and take the rest you currently own with you.

If you want a different WA, consider the new $299 10-18mm - basically made for your camera.

Seriously, you can bump up the ISO on the 70D enough that you won't need the 2.8 zooms - unless you want the 2.8 zoom for other reasons (isolating your subject a bit better - that's it).

Possibly a different analysis if you were just starting out and did not already own what you own.




  
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Aug 22, 2014 12:01 |  #4

The 10-18 is a GREAT lense for the money... as sharp or sharper than the 10-22 USM for under 300 bucks. See my sig.

It gets a little bit distorted that wide but its not bad, you just have to watch your composition.




  
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Aug 22, 2014 12:45 |  #5

Agree with Eastport - you need nothing. For European travel (I go there often as a tourist) you need a wide lens. The 24-105 will almost always be too long at the wide end. Even 18mm is frequently not wide enough. So you have all you need - a 18-135mm for day shooting, and the 10-20 for tight spaces and big buildings. I used to bring a 30mm 1.4 prime with me, but gave up because the 70D handles the high ISO so well, and it would be just a dead weight.

About a year ago I got a 15-85mm lens, and it turned out wide enough for most of the shots in European cities/towns. I still take my Sigma 10-20 4.5-5.6 with me, but very seldom does it come out of the bag.

So save your money, and spend it on an extra night in a hotel there! :-)


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Aug 22, 2014 13:22 |  #6

10-18 STM & 18-135 STM would cover your needs quite well. There will be a lot of Europe you'll probably find 18mm too long for. Given most of what you'll be shooting is static, architectural, or in a museum, you'll likely find IS much more useful than shallow depth of field.

Note about the 10-18 & the 18-135 is they share a filter size, which will reduce the size of your kit. The 10-18 is also very light, coming in about half the weight of your sigma.

As for the 17-5X, it's probably a better 1 lens solution than the 18-135 for europe as there isn't much telephoto needs in most people's European travels, and the f/2.8 is nice. However 17 is still going to be pretty long for the narrow streets. And, the 17-55 weighs as much as an 18-135 & 10-18 put together.

Also, I agree with the poster above, if your primary purpose for a lens is vacations, then rent the lens, don't buy it. I only use super telephotos on vacations, and only to nature areas. As a result, it makes a lot more sense for me to spend 100$ every 2 years renting an L series, than buying an economy lens and letting it sit in my closet unused the other 103 weeks.




  
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Aug 22, 2014 14:15 |  #7

i'd just use your 10-20mm, and 24-105mm...i don't see why you'd be after other lenses


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Aug 25, 2014 10:46 |  #8

Anyone have the Canon 10-18 mm WA? Not fond of my Sigma 10-20mm so I think I'm trading it in for the lighter 10-18


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Aug 25, 2014 11:44 |  #9

DreDaze wrote in post #17111831 (external link)
i'd just use your 10-20mm, and 24-105mm...i don't see why you'd be after other lenses

I agree his current kit seems to cover the range he's looking for quite nicely there are reasons to consider another kit like the 10-18 & 18-135 STM. It's a pound lighter (40.2 oz vs 25.4 oz), it's 20% better maximum magnification (Macro), 30% longer, the wide angle lens has IS making it MUCH more hand holdable at night, they share a filter like the 10-20/24-105 but it's a smaller filter, and they have STM in case he want's to shoot some video. Again, not saying there's anything wrong with his current kit, but I could think of some reasons why someone would choose a different kit.




  
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Aug 25, 2014 11:47 |  #10

ksromack wrote in post #17116539 (external link)
Anyone have the Canon 10-18 mm WA? Not fond of my Sigma 10-20mm so I think I'm trading it in for the lighter 10-18

I've got it, don't have the sigma to compare it to. It's really light and small. So light it almost doesn't feel like a real lens. But, it's IQ is very good for the price. Heavy vignetting in the corners, and has a green cast flare thingy. If you're looking for a light UWA, I'd recommend it.




  
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Aug 25, 2014 20:13 |  #11

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The 10-18 is a GREAT lense for the money... as sharp or sharper than the 10-22 USM for under 300 bucks. See my sig.

It gets a little bit distorted that wide but its not bad, you just have to watch your composition.

I agree. I picked up an EF-S 10-18mm STM a couple of weeks ago. Big bang for your money, fantastic image quality and a heap of fun to use at the 10mm end.


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Aug 25, 2014 20:21 |  #12

ksromack wrote in post #17111385 (external link)
I have the 18-135 kits lens, 50mm f/1.8 III, 24-105 mm f/4 L. I actually just purchased the last lens for a great price and I'm loving it when I take it on museum excursions here in StL. I realize I need a wider angle lens and would prefer a zoom so that I could possibly be a walk around lens for me on the trip. I have the slower Sigma 10-20mm that I'm not real crazy about and am considering trading it in for a wider angle, more useful lens.

Considering the Sigma 17-50 f/2.8 or the Canon 17-55 f/2.8. I know the price difference and I realize neither would work on a future FF upgrade. I needa lens that would work for low lit museums/churches and would also work for narrow street photography. I also would like recommendations on what kit I should bring, given my having to lug it around europe for 3.5 weeks. Thank you in advance!

Heya,

You don't need a new lens. You need to focus on your experience with using and processing high ISO while getting good exposure.

Your 18-135 is great for walk around, travel and museums. You lose 1 stop to the aperture maximum here instead of using an F2.8 lens. IS worth 3~4 stops in a museum, ISO 3200, you should have no issue shooting at F8 even. And that lens covers travel completely.

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Aug 25, 2014 23:26 |  #13

ksromack wrote in post #17116539 (external link)
Anyone have the Canon 10-18 mm WA? Not fond of my Sigma 10-20mm so I think I'm trading it in for the lighter 10-18

what don't you like about the 10-20mm? the only thing you'll really gain with the 10-18mm is IS, and weight...i could understand choosing the 10-18mm, over the 10-20mm...but i don't see much gain in selling the 10-20mm, to get the 10-18mm


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Aug 26, 2014 09:38 |  #14

Because the 10-18 has an stm motor AND weighs less than my 10-22.....the 10-18 sounds loo Ike a perfect marriage to my 70D.


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Aug 26, 2014 09:49 |  #15

ksromack wrote in post #17111385 (external link)
I have the 18-135 kits lens, 50mm f/1.8 III, 24-105 mm f/4 L. I actually just purchased the last lens for a great price and I'm loving it when I take it on museum excursions here in StL. I realize I need a wider angle lens and would prefer a zoom so that I could possibly be a walk around lens for me on the trip. I have the slower Sigma 10-20mm that I'm not real crazy about and am considering trading it in for a wider angle, more useful lens.

Considering the Sigma 17-50 f/2.8 or the Canon 17-55 f/2.8. I know the price difference and I realize neither would work on a future FF upgrade. I needa lens that would work for low lit museums/churches and would also work for narrow street photography. I also would like recommendations on what kit I should bring, given my having to lug it around europe for 3.5 weeks. Thank you in advance!

I would take the 10-20 and the 24-105 for a great walkabout lens. If you plan on going FF one day and wan't a low light WA i would save my money and get the 16-35 2.8L If i ever go FF i would definitely get that lens and sell my 10-22 canon. Hope that helps.


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