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Aug 22, 2014 13:39 |  #181

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...I started to realize that it's really irrelevant. As long as the processor can handle the specs it doesn't matter if there's one or two or ten. As long as it gets the job done the only real benefit of two processors over one is to be able to say "My camera has dual processors". lol

Exactly what I've been thinking for the past 2 pages. Who cares?


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Aug 22, 2014 14:38 |  #182

This just in. CR is reporting that they think they got hold of the 7D mkII specs list. They're working to confirm it so they haven't assigned it a CR value yet. The eos-1 style top plate is gone and no mention of an integrated grip.
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Aug 22, 2014 15:07 |  #183

65 AF points, eh? I would've settled for the 61 in the 1DX/5D3.

10 fps is respectable, but I wonder how big the buffer is.


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Aug 22, 2014 15:46 |  #184

jwcdds wrote in post #17111955 (external link)
65 AF points, eh? I would've settled for the 61 in the 1DX/5D3.

One AF point is all I need.


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Aug 22, 2014 16:01 |  #185

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One AF point is all I need.

:lol: Why not just go MF? :)


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Aug 22, 2014 16:07 |  #186

Well if the rumour is true, I guess I will save money and keep my existing 7D. I really wanted a better sensor and this sounds like a small improvement. I'll wait and see, but it smells like a cop out :(


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Aug 22, 2014 16:11 |  #187

kfreels wrote in post #17111895 (external link)
This just in. CR is reporting that they think they got hold of the 7D mkII specs list. They're working to confirm it so they haven't assigned it a CR value yet. The eos-1 style top plate is gone and no mention of an integrated grip.
Kit lenses: 18-135 IS STM and 15-85 IS STM (This would be a new lens)
CF, UDMA mode 7 + SD, UHS-I
No GPS or WiFi
Fixed LCD, with no touch function.
20.2MP “Fine Detail” CMOS Sensor (I want more information on this)
Dual Pixel CMOS AF
Dual DIGIC 6 Processors
65 AF points “All Cross-type”. Dual cross on the center point.
10fps
ISO 100-16000, ISO Boost mode 25600 and 51200
1080p/720p both get 60fps
Servo AF for video shooting.
Anti-flicker mode, eliminates flickers under flickering lights (e.g. fluorescent lamps).
Spot metering size 1.8%
Built-in flash with radio trigger function.
Mic and headphones connectors
Can sync time between 7D II cameras.
Lens electronic MF
About 100% coverage OVF

I have to be honest here but there is little that would make me want to upgrade here. I'm stricktly talking about my needs, and since I don't do a lot of video work, a lot of the upgrades seem to be video based.

The better AF system (and I'm sure better AF accuracy) is about all here that I am exicted about. The higher ISO options here IMO are not going to be what people want. Its probably going to be about as good as the 70D which is not near as good as a 6D is now.


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Aug 22, 2014 16:44 |  #188

Geordie Amanda wrote in post #17112054 (external link)
Well if the rumour is true, I guess I will save money and keep my existing 7D. I really wanted a better sensor and this sounds like a small improvement. I'll wait and see, but it smells like a cop out :(

You expected a huge amount of MP?

It isn't extra MP that is the main need here. We want to see a significant change in DR.


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Aug 22, 2014 16:52 |  #189

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You expected a huge amount of MP?

It isn't extra MP that is the main need here. We want to see a significant change in DR.

More DR would be wonderful... but is there a reason for expecting a significantly better sensor just now when the 7D has been discontinued?


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Aug 22, 2014 16:53 |  #190

FEChariot wrote in post #17112061 (external link)
I have to be honest here but there is little that would make me want to upgrade here. I'm strictly talking about my needs, and since I don't do a lot of video work, a lot of the upgrades seem to be video based.

The better AF system (and I'm sure better AF accuracy) is about all here that I am exicted about. The higher ISO options here IMO are not going to be what people want. Its probably going to be about as good as the 70D which is not near as good as a 6D is now.

I think the one thing that's been unanimous about what people want from a 7D replacement is improved noise and DR. IF this is a correct list, the "fine detail" sensor is a curious thing. To me, it hints at something new.

ISO 16,000 as a top native ISO is 1 1/3 stop improvement. My ISO 3200 shots looking like my ISO 1250 shots would be a welcome thing. And that's not to say they didn't raise the bar for their acceptable IQ at each ISO either. And "Fine detail" to me says that in any such shot, there would be more detail. But which detail? Who knows? Is it simply an improved or removed AA filter? Is it more shadow and highlight detail? Either way calling it a "fine detail" sensor does sound like something new. The 70D didn't get such a name. The DR wouldn't show up on such a simple spec list. I' really don't see how this list tells anyone enough information to make a buying decision. We'll just have to wait and see.


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Aug 22, 2014 16:53 |  #191

Yeah, until we know more about the sensor, nothing else matters very much.


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Aug 22, 2014 17:10 |  #192

I was with you until the 300-600 fps mark, no way in hell Canon will throw that in.


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Aug 22, 2014 17:11 |  #193

Archibald wrote in post #17112026 (external link)
One AF point is all I need.

if your good then you don't need a single AF point.

However the advantages lots of AF points can give you is being able to group them so you can get better tracking. if the specs are true then I would hope that canon puts some nice features to go with that many AF points. Inlcuding groups. If they are all cross type as well, that should mean the outer edges are just as good as the centre AF when it comes to tracking.

Geordie Amanda wrote in post #17112054 (external link)
Well if the rumour is true, I guess I will save money and keep my existing 7D. I really wanted a better sensor and this sounds like a small improvement. I'll wait and see, but it smells like a cop out :(

yep good to see you are basing your option on real world results rather than a single post about specs that may or may not be true. :rolleyes:


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Aug 22, 2014 17:13 |  #194

Archibald wrote in post #17112115 (external link)
More DR would be wonderful... but is there a reason for expecting a significantly better sensor just now when the 7D has been discontinued?

Kind of.

They're a bit overdue for an improved sensor. A key to an improved sensor would be to move to a .18 fab process which they actually have the ability to do. They just have to choose to do it. There's a lot of people willing to jump ship to Sony and Nikon because of the difference in DR and that's just going to grow in the future of they don't raise the bar.

The 7D is already thought of as a test-bed for new stuff. So it would also be a natural place for a new sensor design to make its debut.

Finally, they've been releasing a lot of patents lately regarding a multi-layer sensor that solves some of the issues with the Foveon that Sigma uses. So a lot of people were expecting a multi-layer sensor.

Overall, it just seems like the right time and the right camera. But it's always possible they're working on a new sensor and just couldn't get it where they wanted it so they had to put it off till the next camera....or the one after.

There's no certainty that it won't be a multi-layer sensor. The most recent rumor says no but the previous said yes. So who really knows? And really, I don't think it matters as long as there's a significant improvement to noise and shadow and highlight detail.


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Aug 22, 2014 17:14 |  #195

pwm2 wrote in post #17112099 (external link)
You expected a huge amount of MP?

It isn't extra MP that is the main need here. We want to see a significant change in DR.

I wanted a better sensor, what's that got to do with more MP?


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