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Aug 22, 2014 15:08 |  #31

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Aug 22, 2014 15:36 |  #32

Nissanfairladyz32 wrote in post #17111958 (external link)
6D ISO 8000

Nissanfairladyz32 wrote in post #17111953 (external link)
6D - 12,800 ISO

It's definitely convenient being able to shoot with a light 70-200/4 IS and be able to zoom to get better framing from a fixed position is the crowd. But look at it another way and you could have shot with a 100/2 prime in these two shots and been at ISO 2000 and ISO 3200 and well within what the OP's 7D can handle. And it’s a whole lot cheaper buying a 100/2 than upgrading a 7D to a 6D or worse yet buying a 6D outright. Plus the 100/2 will make a 6D look even better if the lighting requirements get even more demanding in the future and he needs to upgrade both.


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Aug 22, 2014 19:27 |  #33

FEChariot wrote in post #17112005 (external link)
It's definitely convenient being able to shoot with a light 70-200/4 IS and be able to zoom to get better framing from a fixed position is the crowd. But look at it another way and you could have shot with a 100/2 prime in these two shots and been at ISO 2000 and ISO 3200 and well within what the OP's 7D can handle. And it’s a whole lot cheaper buying a 100/2 than upgrading a 7D to a 6D or worse yet buying a 6D outright. Plus the 100/2 will make a 6D look even better if the lighting requirements get even more demanding in the future and he needs to upgrade both.

Yeah the 6d is just more forgiving, 10,000+ iso shots still look very clean.


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Aug 22, 2014 19:39 |  #34

Just curious after reading all of this, I have the canon L 24-105 F4, could I get away with that in a poorly lit club show with a high ISO?


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Aug 22, 2014 19:50 |  #35

MichaelLynn wrote in post #17112332 (external link)
Just curious after reading all of this, I have the canon L 24-105 F4, could I get away with that in a poorly lit club show with a high ISO?

Yes it will be as good in light as the 70-200 f4 i was using, that was a very poorly lit show only reason i was shooting at 8000-12800. They still turned out sharp and clean after the edits


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Aug 22, 2014 20:04 |  #36

Nissanfairladyz32 wrote in post #17112351 (external link)
Yes it will be as good in light as the 70-200 f4 i was using, that was a very poorly lit show only reason i was shooting at 8000-12800. They still turned out sharp and clean after the edits

If you would be willing to share your raw files, I may be able to provide some pointers on how to get the most out of them. The 100% views are showing some common tendencies people have in NR and sharpening. Your ISO 12800 and 8000 on the 6D can be made a bit cleaner. If not, I understand. :)

Here is an ISO 51200 from the 5D3, in about the same amount of light as the concert shots. Ugly? Yes, but it shows what could be salvaged if need be. Not too much can be done about the color blotchiness though, at least I haven't worked it into my action.

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Aug 22, 2014 21:03 |  #37

You should definitely consider the 6D.

Its ability to focus in low-light situations is unrivaled. I'm often upset that my 5D3 can't match it.


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Aug 22, 2014 21:45 |  #38

MichaelLynn wrote in post #17106822 (external link)
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I love the 7D so much, I love the build quality , speed, Auto Focus and all the cross type points, and lots more.

I've been shooting more and more concerts as of late, some nice pro venues but still a good amount of clubs with atrocious Dark LED WAsh lighting etc.

This is where the discouragement of the 7D comes. I won't dear try to shoot over 1600 ISO. It becomes complete rubbish and a lot of times unusable for noise. I also do a lot of landscape HDR and that -2 photo at the blue hour or night is a mess too.

I've looked at the 6D, 5D3, At The great price 6D seems to be such an obvious choice. I'm scared about the single only cross center point. The concert stuff happens fast almost like shooting sports with guys running and jumping while playing. The low light ability of the 6d at high iso's sounds and looks incredible


I used to own a 7D, I loved the camera. Though the 6D will certainly blow away the 7D in terms of the actual image quality, it's certainly a downgrade on the 7D in 'build quality , speed, Auto Focus'.
The 5D3 is essentially a full frame 7D, it carries over all the 7D's best features and improves most of them. The experience of shooting with the 5D3, is exactly the same as the 7D. All the buttons are in the same place, the camera behaves much the same yet produces much better image quality. Everything you love about the 7D is to be found in the 5D3 and more.

However, note the 6D has slightly better high ISO performance. So it may actually be a better camera for shooting concerts.


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Aug 22, 2014 23:58 |  #39
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FEChariot wrote in post #17112005 (external link)
It's definitely convenient being able to shoot with a light 70-200/4 IS and be able to zoom to get better framing from a fixed position is the crowd. But look at it another way and you could have shot with a 100/2 prime in these two shots and been at ISO 2000 and ISO 3200 and well within what the OP's 7D can handle. And it’s a whole lot cheaper buying a 100/2 than upgrading a 7D to a 6D or worse yet buying a 6D outright. Plus the 100/2 will make a 6D look even better if the lighting requirements get even more demanding in the future and he needs to upgrade both.

artyH wrote in post #17109308 (external link)
Before running out to get a 6D, you might consider picking up another wider, fast prime. Some that come to mind include the Canon 35F1.4 and F2IS.

I bought the 6D / 35 IS / 100 f/2 specifically to keep my ISO as low as possible. The combination is excellent.

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In extremely low light, the only AF point that will matter is the 6D's super sensitive center point.

This is true. The 6D's center point is quite amazing.


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Aug 23, 2014 00:20 |  #40

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Do not care about the comparison with the Nikon, but care about the tests he did, you will see how the 6D can be good or not for your type of photography ;)


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