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Aug 29, 2014 21:23 |  #451

Mr. Clean wrote in post #17124972 (external link)
1D Mark III? How many customers did Canon loose while realizing their support was vital?

At any rate, nowadays, the cameras are so good across the board. Pixel-peeping has always, and will always get you nowhere. Focus on what's in front of the lens! Take your favorite pics you can think of. Is the camera in the frame? Is it part of the shot? Who cares if it was shot with a 1DX or D4S?

Man, and it took me years to realize that so I'm not faulting anyone. GAS is terrible, and the technology aspect of it all draws you in to comparing this crap. Try not to and just take good pictures.

I'm with you on this one. The best portraits can be taken with cameras from 5 years afo, so when I put it in that perspective for myself, I don't get so worried about the little less noise Nikon and Sony have over Canon.




  
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Aug 29, 2014 21:39 |  #452

Photography is a mix of art, science and technology. The technology aspect is a big part of what draws people into photography in the first place. It is a perfect marriage of the best disciplines of humanity, you get to create pure art with technological art.

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I'm with you on this one. The best portraits can be taken with cameras from 5 years afo, so when I put it in that perspective for myself, I don't get so worried about the little less noise Nikon and Sony have over Canon.

This is usually true, however in a large print of a long exposure night shot such as the above, the noise difference can be apparent.


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Aug 29, 2014 23:55 |  #453

Mornnb wrote in post #17125553 (external link)
It is a perfect marriage of the best disciplines of humanity, you get to create pure art with technological art.

Can't say that reading comments on photography sites, listening to lectures from photography pros, or actually viewing photography is any different then any other art. In fact some aspects of the technical debates in photography can bring out the worst of humanity;)

Mornnb wrote in post #17125553 (external link)
This is usually true, however in a large print of a long exposure night shot such as the above, the noise difference can be apparent.

I'm wondering how much of this is from your processing. In previous posts you've admitted that you like to under-expose and bump shadows up. This is acceptable and optimal for Sony sensor tech. The 36MP Sonys will inherently have 33% greater resolutions for large prints, and greater post processing of shadow areas. With Canons, ETTR more.


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Aug 30, 2014 02:51 |  #454

jocau wrote in post #17125144 (external link)
Too bad you didn't add your 6D to the test. Would have loved to see how much better the 6D performed compared to the 5DIII.

I wasn't willing to carry around 3 bodies and tripods on the train and ferry. ;)
I can tell you from experience though the 6D behaves similar to the 5D3. There is noticeably less noise, but nothing like the difference to the Sony a7R.
Also I'm probably going to sell the 6D it's now rather redundant... That being said though with a 40mm pancake for street photography nothing can match it.

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I'm wondering how much of this is from your processing. In previous posts you've admitted that you like to under-expose and bump shadows up. This is acceptable and optimal for Sony sensor tech. The 36MP Sonys will inherently have 33% greater resolutions for large prints, and greater post processing of shadow areas. With Canons, ETTR more.

One needs to be very careful wit highlights, as clipped highlights can not be recovered and getting close to the highlights results in lost tonal information if some channels are clipped. Where with shadows at worst you have a bit of noise.


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Sep 11, 2014 06:51 |  #455

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If money is not a problem, is there any good reson to stay on canon?

Should synthetic tests be the reason to shoot with one camera body over another?


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Sep 11, 2014 08:33 |  #456

And why not?
I can bet if Canon would be on the top of DXO no one on this forum would argue and rave about biased results.


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Sep 11, 2014 13:04 |  #457

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Should synthetic tests be the reason to shoot with one camera body over another?

Sometimes.

The D5300 would seriously be a better option for certain types of landscape photography where DR is an issue and bracketing isn't possible.


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Sep 11, 2014 14:41 |  #458

dgrPhotos wrote in post #17147678 (external link)
Should synthetic tests be the reason to shoot with one camera body over another?

Your giving DXO mark way more credit than they deserve, as If they are the definitive all in all.There's not a sport shooter on the planet who would choose the 5300 over the 1DX.


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Sep 11, 2014 14:47 |  #459

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Sep 11, 2014 14:55 |  #460

Mathmans wrote in post #17147797 (external link)
And why not?
I can bet if Canon would be on the top of DXO no one on this forum would argue and rave about biased results.

Nope.


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Sep 11, 2014 15:59 |  #461

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Your giving DXO mark way more credit than they deserve, as If they are the definitive all in all.There's not a sport shooter on the planet who would choose the 5300 over the 1DX.

But a sport shooter doesn't have their main goal to maximize the sensor capabilities. And I don't see anything in DXO:s measurements that aren't valid. Just that not everyone needs maximum DR or maximum ISO or maximum ... and it's up to every shooter to figure out what is most important to that specific person.

Don't blind yourself to the final DXO scores - look at the actual measurements done. They are very relevant for some groups of photographers.


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Sep 11, 2014 16:23 |  #462

pwm2 wrote in post #17148642 (external link)
But a sport shooter doesn't have their main goal to maximize the sensor capabilities. And I don't see anything in DXO:s measurements that aren't valid. Just that not everyone needs maximum DR or maximum ISO or maximum ... and it's up to every shooter to figure out what is most important to that specific person.

Don't blind yourself to the final DXO scores - look at the actual measurements done. They are very relevant for some groups of photographers.

True but that's what the 1dx specializes in!


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Sep 11, 2014 16:26 |  #463

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Why Nikon, when Sony...

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Sep 11, 2014 16:36 |  #464

brettjrob wrote in post #17148280 (external link)
Sometimes.

The D5300 would seriously be a better option for certain types of landscape photography where DR is an issue and bracketing isn't possible.

canon rookie wrote in post #17148475 (external link)
Your giving DXO mark way more credit than they deserve, as If they are the definitive all in all.There's not a sport shooter on the planet who would choose the 5300 over the 1DX.

You guys are proving my point. There are many factors when choosing a body.

BTW, I'm not giving DxO any credit. These tests are for the devolpment of their software. They're just nice enough to post the results. I'm sure they don't care if anyone agrees with their testing as long as they buy their software.




  
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Sep 11, 2014 17:08 |  #465

canon rookie wrote in post #17148475 (external link)
Your giving DXO mark way more credit than they deserve, as If they are the definitive all in all.There's not a sport shooter on the planet who would choose the 5300 over the 1DX.

Which is exactly what those Dxo results are tell you, dynamic range doesn't matter for sports shooters, but the huge advantage in high ISO performance matters a lot...
With Dxo you need to ignore the overall score as that's subjective, and look in detail at the measurements.

brettjrob wrote in post #17148280 (external link)
Sometimes.

The D5300 would seriously be a better option for certain types of landscape photography where DR is an issue and bracketing isn't possible.

Sort of, however note this test makes no mention of resolution. One needs to look at the scores for lenses on the D5300, verses the much higher perceived megapixels you're going to get on a full frame body like the 1DX.

Dxomark needs to stop publishing overall scores. Image quality is far too a complicated subject to be summarised into one number. But, it is a very useful site that does inform one of how a lens and camera combination will perform in the real world.


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