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Quick take on Fuji Xt1 compared to canon

 
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Sep 06, 2014 22:35 |  #46

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The AF speed is comparable to EF lenses on live view mode on Canon bodies, the problem is the EOS platform is not designed for contrast AF.35mm and 50mm M glass mostly performs well on the a7R, for wide angles you have a huge range of lenses from Canon and Nikon that work on the body great. AF really isn't important for wide angles. (1)

The 35mm 2.8 is actually a great lens, it's comparable to the 24-70mm II 2.8 and Sigma 35mm in sharpness. Additionally, given this is full frame we're talking about, the performance in terms of noise, depth of field and angle of view is what a 22mm f/1.7 would provide on the Fuji X-Pro. I want the security of established platforms like Canon EF and I want to be able to use my EF lenses which I have no intention of selling as their performance is fantastic. I don't consider the FE mount interface to be something that provides much in the way of security or longevity. (2)

Yes, this is the use case for me. Landscape and architecture. Plus a general purpose walk about with best of class image quality (i.e. a Leica killer).
With the Sony a7R you get something that integrates well into your existing EF system and provides a few things that the Canon EF system doesn't do well. (3)

The Sony a7 is half the weight of any DSLR that offers comparable image quality, including the light 6D. It is also lighter than a Leica body. It is the smallest and most compact full frame body anyone makes. When you need it to be compact, you put on the 35mm. But you very much notice the smaller size even with big DSLR lenses. And this is advantage of the a7, it's a compact camera that makes no compromises. It's like a medium format that fits in your pocket. (4)

(1) To each one's own. My 50 and 35 asph do not perform well on the A7r, nor do my 21 SEM or 28 cron. I'm using EVF, not live view, for autofocus. Live view for me is a manual focus tool, too slow for how I shoot. Works for you, since you AF in live view and shoot static subjects, which is great ... for you. I disagree that AF is unimportant for wides, if they're at all fast and you're shooting close, as I do.

(2) All a matter of personal opinion and experience - my points were not meant to be absolute. You like adapting EF lenses and see none of the downsides of impaired AF speed using the VF because you use live view. I've experienced the sluggish AF coming from 1-series Canon bodies with EF lenses compared to an adapted 85L and 70-200 II on an A7r, no question for my use (VF based).

(3) Again, that's based on your shooting. Doesn't work so well for my uses. Doesn't kill my Leica either. Leica glass is much more enjoyable and consistent in performance on a M body than on the A7r, unless all you shoot is certain 50's and longer FLs. I have 3 Leica wides and a couple ZM's - none work well on the A7r, so I can't agree from my own experience.

(4) When I refer to small, I don't mean weight. I mean size. For me weight doesn't matter much. The A7r with EF lenses + adapter on it is just not significantly smaller than a 6D with the same EF lens. Not to my hands and bags anyway. And my hands and bags are not as full with a Leica M body and Lux 35 than with a A7r and 35 f/2.8, especially if the lenses have their hoods on. And my Lux is 2 stops faster than the 35 f/2.8 which should give the compactness factor to Sony.


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Sep 06, 2014 23:52 |  #47
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MCTuomey wrote in post #17139675 (external link)
(1) To each one's own. My 50 and 35 asph do not perform well on the A7r, nor do my 21 SEM or 28 cron. I'm using EVF, not live view, for autofocus. Live view for me is a manual focus tool, too slow for how I shoot. Works for you, since you AF in live view and shoot static subjects, which is great ... for you. I disagree that AF is unimportant for wides, if they're at all fast and you're shooting close, as I do.

(2) All a matter of personal opinion and experience - my points were not meant to be absolute. You like adapting EF lenses and see none of the downsides of impaired AF speed using the VF because you use live view. I've experienced the sluggish AF coming from 1-series Canon bodies with EF lenses compared to an adapted 85L and 70-200 II on an A7r, no question for my use (VF based).

(3) Again, that's based on your shooting. Doesn't work so well for my uses. Doesn't kill my Leica either. Leica glass is much more enjoyable and consistent in performance on a M body than on the A7r, unless all you shoot is certain 50's and longer FLs. I have 3 Leica wides and a couple ZM's - none work well on the A7r, so I can't agree from my own experience.

(4) When I refer to small, I don't mean weight. I mean size. For me weight doesn't matter much. The A7r with EF lenses + adapter on it is just not significantly smaller than a 6D with the same EF lens. Not to my hands and bags anyway. And my hands and bags are not as full with a Leica M body and Lux 35 than with a A7r and 35 f/2.8, especially if the lenses have their hoods on. And my Lux is 2 stops faster than the 35 f/2.8 which should give the compactness factor to Sony.

So in conclusion...everyone has different needs in a camera and what fits like a glove for one might be a little too tight for another. Isn't it wonderful that we have such an array of camera equipment to choose from.




  
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Sep 07, 2014 00:06 |  #48

MCTuomey wrote in post #17139675 (external link)
(1) To each one's own. My 50 and 35 asph do not perform well on the A7r, nor do my 21 SEM or 28 cron. I'm using EVF, not live view, for autofocus. Live view for me is a manual focus tool, too slow for how I shoot. Works for you, since you AF in live view and shoot static subjects, which is great ... for you. I disagree that AF is unimportant for wides, if they're at all fast and you're shooting close, as I do.


I would expect at least the 35mm and 50mm ASPH to perform well on the a7, these lenses don't have the severe rear light angles that wider rangefinder lenses do.

(2) All a matter of personal opinion and experience - my points were not meant to be absolute. You like adapting EF lenses and see none of the downsides of impaired AF speed using the VF because you use live view. I've experienced the sluggish AF coming from 1-series Canon bodies with EF lenses compared to an adapted 85L and 70-200 II on an A7r, no question for my use (VF based).

I have the 5D Mark III for when I need autofocus, the a7 does not replace it and neither would a Fuji Xt1 for that matter. But in terms of putting a high quality sensor behind my 24-70mm II and my TS-E 24mm for the purpose of landscape and architecture the a7R couldn't be better and these lenses clearly out resolve the 5D3 given the results on the a7R.
It's also an incredibly compact full frame camera with the 35mm 2.8. Great for street photography, people don't notice it they think you're some tourist with a cheap Sony compact.

(4) When I refer to small, I don't mean weight. I mean size. For me weight doesn't matter much. The A7r with EF lenses + adapter on it is just not significantly smaller than a 6D with the same EF lens. Not to my hands and bags anyway. And my hands and bags are not as full with a Leica M body and Lux 35 than with a A7r and 35 f/2.8, especially if the lenses have their hoods on. And my Lux is 2 stops faster than the 35 f/2.8 which should give the compactness factor to Sony.

That's a consequence of electronic aperture and autofocus being in the 35mm 2.8. The electronics will take up some room. Note though at 120grams it's done using very little weight.
But when talking about 24mm and 14mm lenses I'm more interested in pure performance I don't shoot these in a walkabout way, hence Canon's lenses work great for me on the a7.

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So in conclusion...everyone has different needs in a camera and what fits like a glove for one might be a little too tight for another. Isn't it wonderful that we have such an array of camera equipment to choose from.

Ain't that the truth.


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Sep 07, 2014 02:13 |  #49

Yup, aperture ring is joy to use but not the ISO dial with that lock. Having exposure comp dial is nice but changing AF point is butt slow. EOS-M I can touch where to AF. I just don't get why these camera engineers don't copy good design ideas.

I wish sony A7r, A7s had hybrid AF not just contrast detect. Why did Sony take out PDAF from them when they have same in the A7? Also most sony zoom are f4. Just played with their 24-70 f4 at the local mall in Taipei and it seems as bulky/heavy as dSLR (little exaggeration as I am shooting with XT1 today). Landscapes, I agree, no questions.


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Sep 07, 2014 09:19 |  #50

Hogloff wrote in post #17139755 (external link)
So in conclusion...everyone has different needs in a camera and what fits like a glove for one might be a little too tight for another. Isn't it wonderful that we have such an array of camera equipment to choose from.

Exactly. I think the only reason this argument came up is that Mornnb said he didn't understand why anyone would choose am X-T1 over am A7, when clearly many people would ;)


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Sep 07, 2014 15:15 |  #51

Yep, this thread has been steered OT quite a bit, and I take responsibility for my part in it, for sure. I chose an X-T1 over the Sony A7/r and the Oly EM-1/5 cameras for individual reasons others may not share. *mornbb* has his reasons for choosing the A7r, fully respected and understood. Like "Hogloff" says, what's not to like about choices like these?

OT again, the Sony that does interest me is the A7s, however. The files look rich and wonderful, the shutter can go silent, the AF (and EVF) is reputedly superb in low-light, its FF, the thing shoots at unheard-of iso's. And it takes Leica M glass much, much better than the A7/r bodies. That ticks a lot of boxes for me.


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