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Sep 08, 2014 16:10 |  #46

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That's what we have alright. I at least understood it before. Someone asking for Gift payment would say "$250; add 3% for non-gift payment" or whatever. But now it is just being lazy or stubborn or I don't know what. Why must I do math to figure out a price?

My next posting is going to be "Lens for sale. $300 + 12.7% * 1.26 + (18-14)/8". Not a bad deal for a nice 70-200/4 nonIS.

Yeah, super annoying. I just saw an ad here...$48 + 3% paypal. Really man? You couldn't just advertise it as $50?




  
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Sep 08, 2014 16:29 |  #47

slookx24 wrote in post #17142721 (external link)
Yeah, super annoying. I just saw an ad here...$48 + 3% paypal. Really man? You couldn't just advertise it as $50?

It's really no different than it has been, except that 'gift' has been eliminated.

A lot of sellers have, at least from what I've seen, always used the '+3%' in their ads.

I do agree that it does not take any more effort to just list a price that says PayPal fees are included.


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Sep 08, 2014 17:22 |  #48

Paypal actually prohibits sellers from charging a surcharge for using their service. ( #3.4 https://www.paypal.com …p/ua/useragreem​ent-full#3 (external link) )

That said, I wouldn't hesitate to give a "cash discount" for money orders.

Paypal should be entitled to a 3% charge for credit cards, since Visa and Mastercard charge them 2.9% for that service. However, for a bank transfer, they're pocketing the entire amount. Which is probably what their business model is based on. That said, if the buyer and seller are willing to assume mutual risk, I don't see why Paypal should automatically be entitled to a 3% cut of every sale on this forum.

Me, as as seller, I'm willing to pay half the Paypal fee for the convenience, but I don't think it's out of hand for the buyer to pay half for the protection. The buyer is getting the better deal.

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Sep 08, 2014 17:57 |  #49

Fast351 wrote in post #17142846 (external link)
Paypal actually prohibits sellers from charging a surcharge for using their service. ( #3.4 https://www.paypal.com …p/ua/useragreem​ent-full#3 (external link) )

Uh oh - I see another new rule on the horizon....


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Sep 08, 2014 19:11 |  #50

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Uh oh - I see another new rule on the horizon....

GOOD!!! The guys who are hot to trot to follow the rules should be happy to eat the 3% fee when they sell.


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Sep 08, 2014 19:28 |  #51

Fast351 wrote in post #17142846 (external link)
I don't see why Paypal should automatically be entitled to a 3% cut of every sale on this forum.

You are correct they are not entitled to 3% of every sale, only the ones that use their service. They have made the selling/buying of items on the internet very easy, so why don't they deserve to be paid for the service they provide?


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Sep 08, 2014 20:55 |  #52

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You are correct they are not entitled to 3% of every sale, only the ones that use their service. They have made the selling/buying of items on the internet very easy, so why don't they deserve to be paid for the service they provide?

Nicely said Duane. No one has to use PayPal, do they? If the 3% irks you find an alternative that you prefer. And if you think the fee should be split 50/50, or whatever, then just have your price reflect that. It's terribly simple.

I don't like Wal-Mart. So I don't shop there. It would be more convenient and cheaper to shop there for me, but I don't care. I've never thought "I don't like how Wal-Mart does business, so I am going to shop there and steal a candy bar every time to express my displeasure."


  
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Sep 09, 2014 08:02 |  #53

Fast351 wrote in post #17142846 (external link)
I don't see why Paypal should automatically be entitled to a 3% cut of every sale on this forum.

They are only entitled to the 3% if you use their service, which they happen to charge 3% to use :rolleyes:.

If you find that being able to send and receive instantaneous, secure, credit card protected, funds and having a place to track information and deal with disputes is of no value to you, you are welcome to pay via money order and have none of those things. Or if you think you can do the same thing as Paypal and charge no fees, go for it!


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Sep 09, 2014 08:58 as a reply to  @ post 17142714 |  #54

I make it very simple...check or money order :p




  
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Sep 09, 2014 09:20 |  #55

Buckeye1 wrote in post #17143957 (external link)
I make it very simple...check or money order :p

That works for me as a buyer, as long you're OK with shipping before I pay.


  
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Sep 09, 2014 10:21 |  #56

mpix345 wrote in post #17143996 (external link)
That works for me as a buyer, as long you're OK with shipping before I pay.

not sure if serious...or trolling.


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Sep 09, 2014 10:57 |  #57

If you have earned that right, sure :p

mpix345 wrote in post #17143996 (external link)
That works for me as a buyer, as long you're OK with shipping before I pay.




  
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Sep 09, 2014 12:56 |  #58

ptcanon3ti wrote in post #17144080 (external link)
not sure if serious...or trolling.

Completely serious, unless I have some serious trust in the person I'm buying from. I just bought a lens like this from a seller who did not want to do Paypal.

If you, as a seller, don't want to use the typical method to transact a deal that's OK, but I don't expect to suddenly bear all the risk because of your aversion to Paypal.


  
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Sep 09, 2014 13:19 |  #59

ptcanon3ti wrote in post #17144080 (external link)
not sure if serious...or trolling.

The fact that you even consider this might be trolling exemplifies the point I made a couple of weeks ago.

https://photography-on-the.net …p?p=17117298&po​stcount=20

Even Buckeye1's response about earning that right points to the seller-buyer psychology to which I refer.

Sellers believed they have somehow automatically earned the right to ask for a check or money order prior to shipping.


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Sep 09, 2014 13:25 |  #60

runninmann wrote in post #17144387 (external link)
The fact that you even consider this might be trolling exemplifies the point I made a couple of weeks ago.

https://photography-on-the.net …p?p=17117298&po​stcount=20

Even Buckeye1's response about earning that right points to the seller-buyer psychology to which I refer.

Sellers believed they have somehow automatically earned the right to ask for a check or money order prior to shipping.

ummm....yes. Sellers believe that because that's the way our world works. You pay....THEN you get your goods. Maybe if Amazon started shipping items based on "merrit" things might change. I didn't create the system, I just work with it. Either you play by the rules, or you don't play.


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