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Sep 09, 2014 14:31 |  #1

Hey folks,

I'm a sucker for getting older, cheaper cameras and having lots of them with lenses attached when I'm out and about, or driving through swamps and hiking through them. In my book for what I do, I often will employ an older APS-C with newer good lenses. I'm considering an old 1DII, because they're just so inexpensive. The 8MP doesn't bother me since a lot of what I'm shooting day to day isn't ending up printed in large scale, so I'm not worried about resolution as much. More concerned with the image quality and look.

So I'm curious if anyone has a 1DII and any modern or newer APS-C's and share glass, and had a moment to share any decent wildlife shots to compare that old 1DII sensor to a modern APS-C sensor.

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Sep 09, 2014 14:44 |  #2

i have a 1D2 and a 7D. Both perform very similarly and 8MP is more than enough to print large if you need to




  
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Sep 09, 2014 14:54 |  #3

Brian_R wrote in post #17144567 (external link)
i have a 1D2 and a 7D. Both perform very similarly and 8MP is more than enough to print large if you need to

Heya,

Have any similar images (content, used similar lens) that kind of shows a bit of the sensor difference?

I'm interested in trying 1D2 with my 150-600mm lens when I'm stomping around the swamp for wildlife, birds, etc. Currently use it on a modern APS-C most often, and not my 5D ever, but I'm curious how an old rugged 1D2 would work out in terms of autofocus, at ISO 800~1600, compared to something a bit more modern like the sensors of the 600D/7D at the same ISO, or even ISO 3200.

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Sep 09, 2014 16:04 as a reply to  @ MalVeauX's post |  #4

Have you ever used a 1d body? It's an unique feel, very fast in terms of shutter blackout and also frames per second.
It's autofocus is unbeaten by today's semipro or beginner dslrs.. Very responsive and sensitive..

Well that's just my point of view..high ISO is a weakness of that body wenn you use jpeg mode, shooting raw is useful if you want to go up to 800 or 1600..bokeh is almost the same as full frame..

All in all it's a pleasure to use and to be honest, I'm using a 650d/ canon t4i and its nice to use the big touch screen and go up to ISO 6400 but the look of the images is not comparable to the 1d II...but that's again just my personal opinion...greetings from Germany!


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Sep 09, 2014 16:13 |  #5

Heya,

Thanks, that's what I'm wondering.

I use a 650D often with my Tamron. I'm considering a 1D2 just to see how it feels with the telephoto.

I use a 5D for a lot of my other stuff, simply because I like the way the 5D files look. That's why I'm looking for something else to also try with my telephoto, to see how it renders the file. I don't like throwing a lot of money down on bodies, but I do like older bodies that are still strong and relevant. The 1D2 still seems relevant, while the 1D3 would be nicer, and I'd love a 1D4, those are quite costly and not in my budget. I can throw some bones away on a 1D2 though. So I'm considering that camera. Not really interested in the older APS-C bodies, nor a newer APS-C body at this time since I have a few APS-C's anwyays, and a full frame. But I don't have a 1D series, and would like to see how it's files really look compared to some other options. Funny how some cameras just have a look to them that you can see a mile away (like the 5D).

I'd really be interested to see an image from the 1D2 and T4i with the same lens and subject, side by side, if that isn't too much trouble.

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Sep 09, 2014 16:23 |  #6

I have the 1D2 and always used it with my Tamzooka. The AF is faster than my 7D with that combo, plus you can attached 1.4x TC and still AF. and the shutter is way faster too. IQ is also great IMO.

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Sep 09, 2014 16:51 |  #7

I have a 1D2, 60D + 7D. Love all three... the 1D2 is better at AF, the 7D in a close second and the 60D is my odds and sods camera.

My Bigma doesn't work on the 60D, but does on the 1D and 7D..

Here is a shot from the Bigma on the 1D @ 500mm.. have yet to try the 7D at this place yet. :)

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Sep 09, 2014 17:12 |  #8

relatively same exposure but not a 100% fair comparison because different courts and lighting. the 1D2 shot is on a smaller court with really clean LED lighting while the 7D shot is on a court with really high ceilings and metal halide lights. both shots with same lens. despite its age i had more consistent in focus shots, only let down is the very small buffer on the 1D2 when compared to the 7D but the 1D gets true 8fps whereas the 7D doesnt actually get the full 8. im replacing my 1D2 with a 1DmkIV at the beginning of next month most likely. unless canon announces a game changer at photokina this year

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Sep 09, 2014 17:23 |  #9

Heya,

Thanks for the examples, really helps. Nice to hear the 1D2 still has a great AF system even compared to the more modern stuff.

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Sep 10, 2014 00:14 |  #10

I really liked 1dmk2. Not sure why I sold it. If wife wasn't complaining, I would have its FF cousin, the 1dsmk2 as they cheap also.


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Sep 10, 2014 02:01 as a reply to  @ bobbyz's post |  #11

It's an excellent body.. especially for the price they can be had for now.

Here are some of my feelings, as a crop shooter buying the 1D II (~ 3-1/2 years ago).

I never use mine. I much prefer my 60D or T2i. The files from the 1D are indeed nice(though the high ISO performance isn't great..ISO 800/1000 is all i'm comfortable with). The body itself is a nuisance for me though.. multi- button push to change some settings(the 1D way), miniscule and poor LCD, no Live view. Battery charging is also a PITA compared to regular-bodied cameras(though you can get a ton of shots out of a good and fresh battery). If they've sat for a while, you have to "uncharge" them, then recharge them.. which can take many hours(but at least you can charge 2 at a time).

The thing is a tank.. big and heavy! The feeling of a quality-built machine is way cool. The sound of the shutter is intoxicating!! :lol:

I find the files too small for the wildlife/bird shots i take. For sports, if you aren't FL limited.. it's wicked! Even with the 300/4L and a 2x TC, i still have to crop too hard (i often crop WELL over 50% with my 60D), compared to my 60D w/300 and 1.4x TC. A ~67% crop on the 60D, is a 100% crop on the 1D II.

The AF and burst speed/accuracy and just overall speed is phenomenal. It took a while to get used to the hair-trigger shutter response. Just press the shutter button carefully(when set on high-speed), and it rips off 2-4 shots before you even know it.

While it is very well weather-sealed, it does draw in inordinate amounts of dust onto the sensor. It needs wayyyyyyyy more frequent cleaning than my croppers.

I didn't get into photography til 2009, so i do really enjoy, and even rely on, the LCD...and the 1DII LCD is poor IMO(size/colors/resolu​tion). It's my biggest peeve with the camera. I think a 1D IIN would be worth an extra $50-$100 to me.


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Sep 10, 2014 07:31 |  #12

I've got both a 1D MkIIn and a T3. I'll try to get out tonight after work with the 300 f/4 and try to get some shots with both bodies for comparison. It's supposed to rain, so I might not get out, but within a few days for sure.


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Sep 10, 2014 07:52 |  #13

Just an add on from what I've said. If I was in your position now I would save the bit extra and get the 1D3, the better buffer, MFA are stuff I would love in my 1D2... and it's what I have the 7D for.. still won't stop me using the 1D2 though!


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Sep 10, 2014 08:18 as a reply to  @ Radders's post |  #14

I too would recommend a 1D3.
I use mine side by side with the 5D3, and the files are equally good up to 3200 ISO except for the resolution gap between the two. For action, the 1D3 is my choice. I use the 5D3 for landscape, etc.

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Sep 10, 2014 11:58 as a reply to  @ Maxdave's post |  #15

I'm another one to give a vote for the 1D Mark III. The handling is significantly improved compared to the 1D Mark II.


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