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My thoughts on the 7D mkII and Canon Rumors

 
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Sep 10, 2014 16:42 |  #301

joedlh wrote in post #17146474 (external link)
Two thoughts came to mind when I read this. (1) maybe there aren't any ground-breaking ideas to come up with. Perhaps the technology is at a plateau and the only changes to expect are permutations and combinations (e.g. mirrorless). (2) coming to a conclusion like this based on rumors alone is somewhat premature.

Well, Canon is the only manufacturer seemingly unable to put out a better sensor. Sony started it with the Exmor, but now Nikon (as in, Nikon-made sensors, not Sony ones in Nikon bodies), Fuji, Samsung, Leica and others all have sensors that far outstrip Canon at low ISO while equalling it at high ISO.

It's not that sensor technology has plateaued. It's just that Canon, almost uniquely among manufacturers, is unable to release one that performs much better than what they were producing 7 years ago when the 1Ds3 came out.




  
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Sep 10, 2014 18:48 |  #302

Shadowblade wrote in post #17146649 (external link)
Well, Canon is the only manufacturer seemingly unable to put out a better sensor. Sony started it with the Exmor, but now Nikon (as in, Nikon-made sensors, not Sony ones in Nikon bodies), Fuji, Samsung, Leica and others all have sensors that far outstrip Canon at low ISO while equalling it at high ISO.

It's not that sensor technology has plateaued. It's just that Canon, almost uniquely among manufacturers, is unable to release one that performs much better than what they were producing 7 years ago when the 1Ds3 came out.

this is true!


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Sep 11, 2014 01:17 |  #303

https://translate.goog​le.com …ark-ii-18.html&edit-text= (external link)

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Nikon/Fuji.
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Sep 11, 2014 01:24 |  #304

Just saw that on Canonwatch.

it's even got a photo posted. no surprise with that tho, it looks like other canon cameras.
interesting bits I picked up,

EOS iTR AF
EOS iTR AF is “intelligent tracking and recognition” AF, a feature that was first seen on the EOS-1D X.
sounds promising and this:
RGB + IR photometry sensor 150000 pixels

not to sure what that would be.


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Sep 11, 2014 01:53 |  #305

dtufino wrote in post #17146846 (external link)
this is true!

Meanwhile, in January, Sony will be releasing a 46-54MP full-frame camera, with even better DR than the Exmor (it's an SR5 rumour, which is basically confirmed). That's more than twice the resolution of Canon's best, with a similar density to Canon's crop sensor (so no losing out if you need to crop heavily either). If/when they put it in an E-mount for compatibility with Canon lenses, it'll be two generations ahead of Canon's offerings.

At the Monet, Canon are basically riding on reputation and people's lens collections, as well as high-ISO action photographers for whom Canon and Nikon are equally good. But even that is starting to fade.




  
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Sep 11, 2014 04:44 |  #306

Mark0159 wrote in post #17147382 (external link)
Just saw that on Canonwatch.

it's even got a photo posted. no surprise with that tho, it looks like other canon cameras.
interesting bits I picked up,

EOS iTR AF
EOS iTR AF is “intelligent tracking and recognition” AF, a feature that was first seen on the EOS-1D X.
sounds promising and this:
RGB + IR photometry sensor 150000 pixels

not to sure what that would be.

It will improve the WB behaviour of the camera. It can even figure out how much red is actual read, and how much read is leaking from IR pickup.


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Sep 11, 2014 06:11 |  #307

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Sep 11, 2014 06:46 |  #308

Shadowblade wrote in post #17147407 (external link)
At the (moment), Canon are basically riding on reputation and people's lens collections,

How true, if I were to start anew I would not choose Canon.


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Sep 11, 2014 09:26 |  #309

looks to me like more of the same BS from canon....

http://www.canonwatch.​com …rk-ii-specs-image-leaked/ (external link)


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Sep 11, 2014 11:44 |  #310

howiewu wrote in post #17147673 (external link)
How true, if I were to start anew I would not choose Canon.

Since I rarely use AF (apart from for wildlife photography, which uses a completely different set of lenses and other gear compared with my landscape work) I have a way out in the form of the A7r.

Sure, it arrived on the scene two years after the D800e and, as a compact camera, is generally clunky and inconvenient to use, but it give me great image quality while I wait for Canon to play catch-up (or for Nikon/someone else to release some good tilt-shifts so that I can change systems). Hopefully, the new 50MP Sony will improve the quality once again.




  
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Sep 11, 2014 18:55 |  #311

dtufino wrote in post #17147899 (external link)
looks to me like more of the same BS from canon....

http://www.canonwatch.​com …rk-ii-specs-image-leaked/ (external link)

A 16,000 top ISO is interesting - especially with a boost of 25,600 and 51,200. I wonder if the bottom moved as well. Just because the specs say 20.2MP does not mean it's the same sensor as the 70D. It means that 20.2 MP is the balance they thought was best when trading off between image size and fps but it still could very well be a new sensor. More MP could both slow it down and reduce buffer size and the buffer is going to be important when writing to two cards.

Most interesting is this "RGB + IR Photometry Sensor" - whatever that is. No one seems to know. That alone is enough to say that it's too early to think it's just the 70D sensor.

Another interesting thing appears to be the iTR AF which uses 150,000 pixels. The 1DX only uses 100,000 I think.

Altogether it seems like a nice camera.


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Sep 11, 2014 20:01 |  #312

The latest report on CR could certainly be true, but I'll wait until I see the actual specs from Canon before I get excited or shrug my shoulders and move on...

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Sep 12, 2014 00:58 |  #313

kfreels wrote in post #17148919 (external link)
...Most interesting is this "RGB + IR Photometry Sensor" - whatever that is. No one seems to know. That alone is enough to say that it's too early to think it's just the 70D sensor...

Someone posted a link to this link on the canon rumours forum topic for the same camera http://www.canonrumors​.com …5-layer-uv-ir-rgb-sensor/ (external link) as a possible meaning to the sensor type.

Might be nothing or it might be something. it could just be marketing crap.

it is interesting tho, I did a google search for Canon patents IR and the first link comes from the Imaging Resource website

http://www.imaging-resource.com …ith-uv-and-ir-sensitivity (external link)

I guess we will find out next week.


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Sep 12, 2014 03:38 |  #314

Mark0159 wrote in post #17149432 (external link)
Someone posted a link to this link on the canon rumours forum topic for the same camera http://www.canonrumors​.com …5-layer-uv-ir-rgb-sensor/ (external link) as a possible meaning to the sensor type.

Might be nothing or it might be something. it could just be marketing crap.

it is interesting tho, I did a google search for Canon patents IR and the first link comes from the Imaging Resource website

http://www.imaging-resource.com …ith-uv-and-ir-sensitivity (external link)

I guess we will find out next week.

It would be very interesting if the camera gets released with a 5-color foveon-style sensor. But that is likely to introduce a lot of complexities to try to match the colors generated by older Canon sensors.


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Sep 12, 2014 04:14 |  #315

it could, it also could be nothing to call ground breaking. I know that when I had the 10D that the red channels looked over saturated a little. On the 6D it's a lot better. I don't fear taking a photo of something red because it's going to look like it's got no detail.

I would like to think that camera manufactures are trying to get the camera to produce an image that is close to true colours as possible. This new acronym could also be adding something to the existing sensor tech.

Only Canon knows and now it's the weekend so no new information will be coming out. Now that the news media has gotten over the hype of the new iphones more camera news will be coming out. it's always nice to see what gear they come out with.


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