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Sep 11, 2014 22:36 |  #91

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So, there would be a high ISO lower noise benefit to the 1.3x crop sensor. We may even be looking at 1 stop difference here.

Not comparing a 1D3 vs the hypothetical 7D2. The sensor tech has improved so that the 7D2's ISO is equivalent to the 1D3 (even considering pixel pitch).


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Sep 11, 2014 23:03 |  #92

davesrose wrote in post #17149280 (external link)
Not comparing a 1D3 vs the hypothetical 7D2. The sensor tech has improved so that the 7D2's ISO is equivalent to the 1D3 (even considering pixel pitch).

I merely talking about pixel pitch in general given that the sensor is in the same generation. I'm saying that the hypothetical 7D2 may have cleaner higher-ISO IQ as much as 1 stop if the sensor is 1.3x rather than 1.6x crop given the same 20MP count. That said, the sensor improvement on 5D3 over 5D2 is minimal. So I'm not sure I would have a high hope on sensor improvement over the last year(not comparing to the original 7D sensor, merely just how I thought of Canon technology improvement).




  
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Sep 11, 2014 23:16 |  #93

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I merely talking about pixel pitch in general given that the sensor is in the same generation. I'm saying that the hypothetical 7D2 may have cleaner higher-ISO IQ as much as 1 stop if the sensor is 1.3x rather than 1.6x crop given the same 20MP count. That said, the sensor improvement on 5D3 over 5D2 is minimal. So I'm not sure I would have a high hope on sensor improvement over the last year(not comparing to the original 7D sensor, merely just how I thought of Canon technology improvement).

The 5DmkIII has a 1 stop improvement of high ISO vs the 5DmkII. That the 7DmkII has ISO and resolution ratings like the 1D3 seems to point even more of it being a 1.6x crop. It's more in keeping with the 5DmkII then 5DmkIII for sensor performance. I know that many on internet forums like to hype and hope that manufacturers can double MPs and ISO all at the same time...that never happens though. Will be interesting to see if the 7DmkII is better with shadow recovery, but I for one wasn't expecting the moon just with one anouncement;)


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Sep 11, 2014 23:24 |  #94

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Aside from the obvious that one would take both EF and EF-S lens and the other only take EF lens. Which to me make no difference as all my current bodies and lens are FF or at least APS-H. Say a 20MP APS-C would have more crammed pixels than 20MP APS-H. So, there would be a high ISO lower noise benefit to the 1.3x crop sensor. We may even be looking at 1 stop difference here.

thank you :) and my point entirely - a new 1.3 sensor could be reasonably expected to have a serious improvement in noise over the current 18 in the 7 d mk 1 and the 20.2 in the 70 d - probably just dreamin and a hopin !!!!!
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Sep 11, 2014 23:28 as a reply to  @ patrol50's post |  #95

I am just curious what the RGB + IR Photometry Sensor is. To me it might indicate new sensor technology. After all the 7D and 1DX have the same 18MP but clearly 2 different sensors.


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Sep 12, 2014 00:34 as a reply to  @ post 17147869 |  #96

Like all 65 AF points being cross-type.


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Sep 12, 2014 01:20 |  #97

As a current 7D user, if they've fixed the noise problems, that alone is almost worth the upgrade.




  
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Sep 12, 2014 02:15 |  #98

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But no, that obsession with noise levels and IQ is still there, even if people need to look at 200% crops. People make fantasies about richer and more vivid colors, super extra sharpness... and Canon is super happy because that lust helps and pushes all users to buy new expensive cameras...

A lot of 7DII users will be wildlife photographers. A lot of wildlife is most active at dawn and dusk. I often find myself wanting to take photos but getting 1/50s at ISO3200 and wide open. Improving the noise characteristics which each generation of sensor and thus being able to expand the available ISO range gives a real and important improvement in wildlife photography. It's the difference between being able to take certain photos and not.


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Sep 12, 2014 02:33 |  #99

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A lot of 7DII users will be wildlife photographers. A lot of wildlife is most active at dawn and dusk. I often find myself wanting to take photos but getting 1/50s at ISO3200 and wide open. Improving the noise characteristics which each generation of sensor and thus being able to expand the available ISO range gives a real and important improvement in wildlife photography. It's the difference between being able to take certain photos and not.

Not just wildlife.

What happens in one sensor or camera eventually translates to all cameras. I'm primarily a landscape photographer, but also shoot wildlife and other wildenrness subjects because they all tend to occur in the same places.

As a landscape photographer, I make huge prints. When shooting wildlife, I often need to crop, sometimes fairly heavily. These call for high resolution and high pixel density sensors. Dusk and dawn produce the best landscapes and are also when wlildlife tend to be most active. This calls for better dynamic range (since higher DR at ISO 100 when shooting landscapes also translates to higher DR at ISO 12800 when shooting animals in the shadows) because the lighting at these times tends to be very high-contrast.

Canon has delivered better and better AF and weather sealing over the years, but so has Nikon - their top systems are equally good at tracking moving subjects. On the other hand, Canon's resolution and image quality have barely improved since 2007, to the point that the current Sony/Nikon sensors have two and a half stops more DR and higher resolution than Canon, and Sony's next sensor will have over twice the pixel count of Canon's best.

The only reason I haven't moved entirely to Nikon is the existence of Canon's tilt-shift lenses (which I use on an A7r). For every other still photography application, Nikon either matches Canon (where IQ isn't critical) or vastly exceeds it (where IQ is critical).




  
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Sep 12, 2014 03:09 as a reply to  @ Shadowblade's post |  #100

I personally don't care that much as I am a happy 70D owner who won't switch anytime soon but If it's the same sensor as 70D it must be pretty disappointing for potenial buyers, as 70D basically has the same IQ as 60D which has the same sensor as 550D, etc, which is a entry dslr.


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Sep 12, 2014 03:39 as a reply to  @ post 17147869 |  #101

In all honesty I don't want a 30mp sensor - yeah its bigger, but do we really need bigger? Hopefully its got an improved ISO performance and dynamic range - that's where I'd really prefer to see advance. I don't just want bigger photos that eat up more storage space; I want higher quality ones that I can work with in more challenging conditions.

Considering how close to launch it is chances are rumours are worth listening to now.

Also is that a built in IR sensor? If so wildlife shooters are going to go utterly nuts for it!


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Sep 12, 2014 04:17 as a reply to  @ post 17147869 |  #102

No matter what Canon are up to. They really need to get their finger out with the drip feeding carry on. Nikon D750, FF camera with crop mode, 6.5fps and the best bit, a flippy screen (kidding on the last one) but Nikon have released three new FF cameras and Canon are still pissing about trying to replace the 7D. The only thing saving Canon's butt cheeks is their lenses.

Starting to think Apple and Canon are the same company.




  
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Sep 12, 2014 05:47 |  #103

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The trouble with this whole post is that you totally disregard whats happening in the rest of the industry.

This seems to be the big dividing line. If you are very Canon focused this is the latest and greatest, and you have to be pretty shallow to complain. If you look at sensor's as a technology right now the one canon is choosing to use seems a bit primitive. Interesting (at least to me) parallels in the iphone 6 discussions going on. Some people saying it's better than anything that's come before and then people outside the ecosystem saying, "I've had all of those specs for 2 years now, why should I switch?"

To use a pun: It just depends on what...............LEN​S you view it through. nyuck nyuck nyuck


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Sep 12, 2014 05:55 as a reply to  @ post 17147869 |  #104

Eh Nikon kept their single universal mount so most of their fullframe cameras have had a crop mode for their crop lenses. Canon split their range, and I suspect it would be hard to rejoin them since the EF-S lenses have a deeper rear recess potential (not all use it but many do) which means that if they were mounted to an EF fullframe camera body they can hit the mirror as it flips up. I suspect that if Canon wanted to join the two ranges they'd likely have to re-release their whole EF-S line or at least the ones with a deeper rear recess.


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Sep 12, 2014 06:13 |  #105

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Don't write it off yet. Think about it, a 70D quality APS-C sensor with 1DX AF system? Sounds pretty sweet to me. Of course, the price will be the real decider.

Really? 70D like quality...No.... not at the back end of 2014. Canon needs to up their game sensor wise, they cant just keep rehashing the same old sensors while every other manufacturer is leaving them behind. Overall the camera does look very sweet, but sensor performance is the key along with the price. If this is the just a 70D sensor in a reworked 7D body, its an epic fail. I think even Canon realises that now.




  
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