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Underwhelmed (so far) with Canon at Photokina

 
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Sep 12, 2014 16:55 |  #76

David Arbogast wrote in post #17150701 (external link)
Wrong. The 200-400mm is very heavy. A 400mm f/5.6 is quite nimbal and light. The 200-400mm covers those focal lengths, but misses the critical weight spec that the 400mm f/5.6 (or even 100-400mm) offers.

I fail to understand why you are being contentious about the desire of many for an update to some very old lenses.

I realise that but he is claiming he can't get certain pics do to limitations by the current lens lineup. In reality no one after a new 100-400 is going to buy a 200-400, it will get the job done though.

My main point is that the lens offering by Canon is excellent. In all these threads by people who love ripping detail out of shadows complaining about Canon sensors compared to Sony the common theme is that at least we have the lenses. Now it seems even the vast array of different lenses on offer is below par to some.

Everyone wants something different, they can't make it all.




  
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Sep 12, 2014 17:09 |  #77

Tom Reichner wrote in post #17150720 (external link)
I never said that El Pedro's comment was a personal attack. It isn't. I did say that it seemed smart-aleck (a.k.a. "flippant").

You didn't read my post carefully. I did not suggest his comment was a personal attack. Why are you telling me that you "never said that El Pedro's comment was a personal attack"? Let me try to make my point once more:

You stated that sarcastic ("smart-alek") comments are out of place here. I disagree with you. I do not agree that comments like that are out of place.

Had he made a personal attack, then you would have been right to suggest it was out of place. But it wasn't. That's why I said your statement went too far. You were calling something out of place that is not out of place. Can you follow the distinction I am trying to articulate?


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Sep 12, 2014 17:16 |  #78

On the one hand, I am happy with my Canon bodies and lenses.

On the other hand, Canon hasn't announced much in the last few years that really excited me, and the ones that did (200-400/4) are not really practical for me due to cost and weight.

So is this a good thing or a bad thing? I'm generally happy and Canon isn't tempting me into more expensive lenses. But they are not offering me new lenses I really find attractive either.

In balance I think it is more that I'm content. I can imagine a few new lenses I'd like, but I also suspect what they would cost. Everyone wants a new 100-400L, but I bet they will hate the price.


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Sep 12, 2014 18:37 |  #79

ed rader wrote in post #17150708 (external link)
prediction: canon will have a 45mp sensor out probably by the end of year, but whiners will still whine :-).

Just as long as its competitive with performance and pricing, it certainly will make me a happy camper.


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Sep 12, 2014 18:46 as a reply to  @ snake0ape's post |  #80

They were also supposed to update the TS-E 45 and 90's along with the 100-400, 300 f4IS and some others mentioned.

I agree the 16-35 f4 was nice (esp. for me) but it's not exactly looking like what I would call 'year of the lens'.


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Sep 12, 2014 19:01 |  #81

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I agree with DreDaze, what in Canon's lens lineup is stopping you from taking great images. That is the point...very little. Canon has an entire breadth of lens covering just about everything. What do they need to release?

i'm not sure if that's what my point was...canon does have a very capable lineup...the thing that i find bad is, they come out with nothing innovative...yeah i can do just about everything i want with their line-up...but i want them to come up with things that allow me to do more...things i'm not even imagining i can do...

3 years ago, if someone here asked why there's no zoom faster than f2.8, people would say it wasn't possible due to phsyics, whatever, blah blah...but you know what...sigma shocked everyone by coming out with one

then you've got wider lenses coming out, faster lenses coming out with stabilization

out of all their new releases that are supposed to come out(hell you can go back and look at the past few lenses they've released)...what will they allow you to do that you couldn't beforehand...absolutel​y nothing(aside from the 200-400mm)

meanwhile tamron is announcing a stabilized 15-28mm f2.8 lens...

canon keeps trying to just improve on their already established lenses, without coming up with something new.


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Sep 12, 2014 19:20 |  #82

Can someone speak to the expected "Lag Time" between when something from Canon is shown at Photokina and when I can expect to be able to get my hands on it at a local dealer or online?




  
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Sep 12, 2014 19:30 as a reply to  @ DreDaze's post |  #83

I think what a lot of people want are updates to old lenses.

Every new lens Canon has released over the last year or two has been optically excellent (24-70 x2, 200-400, 16-35, 24-28-35 IS, 40 2.8 etc).

They probably have new design and manufacture techniques in place. Updates to older lenses with these new processes would be great, and would keep a lot of would-be migrators from going over to Nikon/mirror-less etc.

Candidates for this IMHO:

20 2.8
28 1.8
35L
50 1.8/1.4
85 1.8 (only in answer to the anticipated 85 Art, the 1.8 is an excellent lens)
135L
200L 2.8 II
100-400 (200-400 is in another league, price-wise)


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Sep 12, 2014 19:41 |  #84

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35-150mm f4 L with IS.

If it only had IS:

http://www.canon.com …zoom/ef_35~135_​35~45.html (external link)


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Sep 12, 2014 23:19 |  #85

canon should make a 50mm leens with is, and improved focusing/image quality. right now the only usm lens at 50 that canon offers is 1.2L.
I would say there are no glaring deficeincies other than that in canon line up. certainly the 100-400L can use an upgrade for better IS system, and sharper
The big thing that canon needs to do is work on the sensor technology, with a higher pixel density and higher DR sensor. thats where they are lagging. The have figured out AF and video very well, sensor resolution and DR, not so much. they should also be the first to offer 4K video in an slr


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Sep 13, 2014 00:16 |  #86

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...yeah i can do just about everything i want with their line-up...but i want them to come up with things that allow me to do more...things i'm not even imagining i can do...

DreDaze, that is a great point, and very well said.

If most photographers really pushed the limits and thought way outside of the box - creatively, artistically, and technically - then Canon would be forced to develop a much more innovative lens lineup. But, judging from the comments here in this thread, it seems that most photographers are content to make the same types of images that photographers have been making for years. What's the mater, don't y'all have gazillions of images in your mind's eye that todays' gear simply isn't capable of producing?

Yes, that'd be awesome. Well, IS and USM autofocus.

I have a lens from that era - the 50-200mm f4.5 L series lens, released in 1988 as well. While it has AF, it is very slow and erratic.

I use this lens quite a bit, and it is somewhat of a workhorse for me. It is greatly preferable to any of the 70-200s that are out there, at least for the way I shoot. I've had two of the 70-200s, but got rid of them simply because the range is so limiting. 70mm to 200mm - heck, that isn't even 3x! Going from 70mm to 200mm was simply not enough range, and I ended up missing a great number of images. 50-200 is so much more usable; that extra 20mm on the wide end is a huge advantage. Yet the lack of reliable, fast autofocus and the lack of IS cause me to miss shots, too.

If only Canon would make excellent zoom lenses with a reasonable amount of range, say between 4x and 6x, then we wouldn't have to settle for compromises.

As far as focal lengths on their zooms go, Canon really had it right with a couple of those lenses back in the late '80's. Now, they really have the autofocus and stabilization figured out, but the focal lengths are all wrong for the way I like to compose images.


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Sep 13, 2014 01:17 |  #87

I agree, other companies are making interesting offerings for Canon.
The "Year of the lenses" would be Canon going all out.
They refresh all zooms and primes to IS and possibly STM.
Refresh their L's to at least MK II aka new 35L and 50L for starters.

What every happened to the rumored 50mm f1.8 IS?; that died off too....

I would love an L 35mm f1.2 for a single travel lens.
That would be a great announcement and I would be excited to preorder it.
I would like an EF 24mm and 50mm pancake even at f2.8.
An *85L IS and an *135L IS would be welcomed additions for upgraded gear.

I think these are reasonable desires, I am not asking for a 5mm-200mm f2 IS :D


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Sep 13, 2014 02:12 as a reply to  @ InfiniteDivide's post |  #88

It would be an 85/1.2 IS and a 135/2 IS both version one. Still I'm not giving up my 135/2 for an update there. It's already awesome and I have other larger fish...


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Sep 13, 2014 02:37 |  #89

ed rader wrote in post #17150708 (external link)
prediction: canon will have a 45mp sensor out probably by the end of year, but whiners will still whine :-).

45MP?
Boooo! Not enough!!! ;)


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Sep 13, 2014 02:43 |  #90

I am actually quite overwhelmed by Canon at Photokina and my bank balance is extremely worried by it.

They've upgraded both my most valued items in the 7D and the 400 DO. I'm already taking wild guesses about trade-in deals for the 400 DO II since I love mine and the thought of the II being even better makes me salivate.


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