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The merits of the 50L, and why it's worth the $1000 premium

 
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Sep 13, 2014 12:07 |  #61

It is just a bit like arguing with a Hyundai owner over an Audi's cost.

If you just want to go to Wawa, work, Wawa and home, you never even cared about what an Audi is.

Now, the more interesting threads are the Audi vs. BMW vs. Tesla. But even then, search quickly gives all information, and new posts are, truly diversions in life. And we all could use a good diversion from time-to-time.

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Sep 13, 2014 12:18 |  #62

^ Pretty much this.

Same goes for the "why do people spend $200k on a Ferrari when you can't go over the speed limit?" crowd.

Also, you can replace that apple logo with the Android. Every new apple update brings in a barrage of android fanboys crying afoul and proving why their consumer electronic device is better than another consumer electronic device ;)


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Sep 13, 2014 12:33 |  #63

panicatnabisco wrote in post #17152068 (external link)
^ Pretty much this.

Same goes for the "why do people spend $200k on a Ferrari when you can't go over the speed limit?" crowd.

Also, you can replace that apple logo with the Android. Every new apple update brings in a barrage of android fanboys crying afoul and proving why their consumer electronic device is better than another consumer electronic device ;)

People get very wrapped up in the brand choices they make, because it's a reflection of their self worth. So when someone makes an off-comment about that person's brand choice, you are indirectly making that comment about their self worth. If you say that Ford sucks, then people who drive a Ford feel that their choice is somehow wrong, and you claiming their decision making is incompetent. They need to lash out in order to self-validate.

With money, it comes down to insecurity. If a person can't afford that Ferrari, they go into self-protect mode in order to shield their insecurity at not stacking up to those who can afford such an expensive car. And that goes hand in hand with trying to validate their purchase over that Ferrari owner's purchase (my modified Honda can beat that POS Ferrari 0-60, my Subaru does soooo much better in the snow, my minivan carries a ton more stuff than the Ferrari).

Whenever I hear fanboys/girls cry about their brand/choice being better, it instantly smacks of insecurity and an attempt to self-validate.


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Sep 13, 2014 13:54 as a reply to  @ MatthewK's post |  #64

Not sure how the thread digressed to this...

Guys/gals, you're stretching quite a bit here. Most of the people posting that they love the 50L, love it for its rendering abilities, the pictures they can make with it. Anyone comparing these lenses to cars or fruit or whatever is just plain being silly.

How many people have gone with the Sigma Art over the Canon L counterparts? Lots. And I respect their decision, and don't care if Canon, Nikon, Sigma, or Ford made their lens. They evaluated their decision, and made the right one for themselves. Leave it at that. There are wealthier people than me, who wouldn't purchase the 50L because they think it's crazy to drop that kind of money on a lens. Let's keep people's socioeconomic status out of the discussion. If a person can't afford a 50L it's a moot point, but it's imprudent to conclude that a Sigma Art owner can't afford a 50L; that's just nonsense.




  
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Sep 13, 2014 16:41 |  #65

hiketheplanet wrote in post #17152217 (external link)
Not sure how the thread digressed to this...

Guys/gals, you're stretching quite a bit here. Most of the people posting that they love the 50L, love it for its rendering abilities, the pictures they can make with it. Anyone comparing these lenses to cars or fruit or whatever is just plain being silly.

How many people have gone with the Sigma Art over the Canon L counterparts? Lots. And I respect their decision, and don't care if Canon, Nikon, Sigma, or Ford made their lens. They evaluated their decision, and made the right one for themselves. Leave it at that. There are wealthier people than me, who wouldn't purchase the 50L because they think it's crazy to drop that kind of money on a lens. Let's keep people's socioeconomic status out of the discussion. If a person can't afford a 50L it's a moot point, but it's imprudent to conclude that a Sigma Art owner can't afford a 50L; that's just nonsense.

100% this.


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Sep 13, 2014 19:53 as a reply to  @ EverydayGetaway's post |  #66

CaliWalkabout wrote in post #17149420 (external link)
You know, this sort of tedious nonsense really sours the discourse on this board. I'm really not interested in impressing anyone with the sharpness of the upper right 2% of my photographs.

In case you didn't read the title of the thread > "The merits of the 50L, and why it's worth the $1000 premium"
Now that you do not want to "impress" anyone with your picture, i confirm it, you did it very well :rolleyes:
So asking to put a high resolution picture is not a "tedious nonsense that sours the discourse of this board" (thanks a lot S.Horton for the "without the nonsense part")
Happily that 95% of the 50L owners are not like you ! and i thank all of them for their good, nice and polite explanation about their love with this lens.

panicatnabisco wrote in post #17151322 (external link)
People are just jealous of it's fast aperture and our financial capability of buying a 50L. You really can't explain that to a non-50L owner :rolleyes:

Certainly the most presumptuous comment i red this year ...
BTW I'm L lenses owner too :rolleyes: if some are wonderful, they are not all "wonderful" or even just great for the price ... or not.

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People get very wrapped up in the brand choices they make, because it's a reflection of their self worth. So when someone makes an off-comment about that person's brand choice, you are indirectly making that comment about their self worth. If you say that Ford sucks, then people who drive a Ford feel that their choice is somehow wrong, and you claiming their decision making is incompetent. They need to lash out in order to self-validate.

With money, it comes down to insecurity. If a person can't afford that Ferrari, they go into self-protect mode in order to shield their insecurity at not stacking up to those who can afford such an expensive car. And that goes hand in hand with trying to validate their purchase over that Ferrari owner's purchase (my modified Honda can beat that POS Ferrari 0-60, my Subaru does soooo much better in the snow, my minivan carries a ton more stuff than the Ferrari).

Whenever I hear fanboys/girls cry about their brand/choice being better, it instantly smacks of insecurity and an attempt to self-validate.

I'm not a fan of facebook, but if there was a "like" button on your comment i'll like and share ;)

hiketheplanet wrote in post #17152217 (external link)
Not sure how the thread digressed to this...

Guys/gals, you're stretching quite a bit here. Most of the people posting that they love the 50L, love it for its rendering abilities, the pictures they can make with it. Anyone comparing these lenses to cars or fruit or whatever is just plain being silly.

How many people have gone with the Sigma Art over the Canon L counterparts? Lots. And I respect their decision, and don't care if Canon, Nikon, Sigma, or Ford made their lens. They evaluated their decision, and made the right one for themselves. Leave it at that. There are wealthier people than me, who wouldn't purchase the 50L because they think it's crazy to drop that kind of money on a lens. Let's keep people's socioeconomic status out of the discussion. If a person can't afford a 50L it's a moot point, but it's imprudent to conclude that a Sigma Art owner can't afford a 50L; that's just nonsense.

This also, is an excellent comment !
Let the last sentence of this comment put us back on the track

And again i like to thanks all the 50L owners of this thread which have answer in a constructive way and help me to understand your passion(or not) with this lens (like Charlie, hiketheplanet, Talley, scobols, InfinitDivide, EverydayGetaway, jmai86, etc ..., sorry to not name all of you, you are quite a lot ;) )


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Sep 13, 2014 21:20 |  #67

The 50L is a relatively inexpensive 50mm... There are much more expensive and higher quality 50mm lenses out there. The $4000 Zeiss Otus which provides exceptional sharpness. The $4000 Leica Summilux 50mm 1.4 APSH which provides both extreme sharpness and bokeh on par with the 50L. And the $8000 Leica 50mm f2 APO which is sharper still. At the top of the range is the $11000 Leica 50mm f0.95 which though no sharper than the 50L, takes bokeh to a level beyond it.
The bargain people here though is Sigma, their 50mm Art performs comparable to the Zeiss Otus and the $8000 Leica APO in sharpness. However I prefer the older Sigma 50mm f1.4 EX because it's bokeh is smooth and well defined, high contrast and well saturated. I had to sell mine because the AF was unusable and missed half the time, but I loved the bokeh. Here's an example of the 50 EX look from the flickr pool.
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Sep 13, 2014 23:33 |  #68

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Sep 14, 2014 02:05 |  #69

Reservoir Dog wrote in post #17152627 (external link)
Certainly the most presumptuous comment i red this year ...
BTW I'm L lenses owner too :rolleyes: if some are wonderful, they are not all "wonderful" or even just great for the price ... or not.
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More than you can afford pal*


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Sep 14, 2014 02:51 |  #70

MatthewK wrote in post #17152096 (external link)
People get very wrapped up in the brand choices they make, because it's a reflection of their self worth. So when someone makes an off-comment about that person's brand choice, you are indirectly making that comment about their self worth. If you say that Ford sucks, then people who drive a Ford feel that their choice is somehow wrong, and you claiming their decision making is incompetent. They need to lash out in order to self-validate.

With money, it comes down to insecurity. If a person can't afford that Ferrari, they go into self-protect mode in order to shield their insecurity at not stacking up to those who can afford such an expensive car. And that goes hand in hand with trying to validate their purchase over that Ferrari owner's purchase (my modified Honda can beat that POS Ferrari 0-60, my Subaru does soooo much better in the snow, my minivan carries a ton more stuff than the Ferrari).

Whenever I hear fanboys/girls cry about their brand/choice being better, it instantly smacks of insecurity and an attempt to self-validate.

I can't afford a Ferrari, but I would love one and envy those with them. However if I could accutly afford a Ferrari, I think I would hire and Engineer to reverse engineer the Zeiss Otis 50 so it could have auto focus.


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Sep 14, 2014 08:04 |  #71

Mornnb wrote in post #17152725 (external link)
The $4000 Zeiss Otus. The $4000 Leica Summilux 50mm 1.4 APSH . And the $8000 Leica 50mm f2 APO. At the top of the range is the $11000 Leica 50mm f0.95 .

I was aware of every lens listed until the $11,000 f.95 option.
I had no idea this existed.

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Sep 14, 2014 09:02 |  #72

InfiniteDivide wrote in post #17153326 (external link)
I was aware of every lens listed until the $11,000 f.95 option.
I had no idea this existed.

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There are cheaper non leica options. Speedmaster and hypercine 50mm for sony A7 cameras....


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Sep 14, 2014 09:42 |  #73

InfiniteDivide wrote in post #17153326 (external link)
I was aware of every lens listed until the $11,000 f.95 option.
I had no idea this existed.

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How can I torture you more.
I know, watch the DigitalREV 50mm 0.95 Leica vs 50L video. ;)

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There are cheaper non leica options. Speedmaster and hypercine 50mm for sony A7 cameras....

The SLR Magic Hyperprime is 'only' $3000 and is sharper than the 50mm 0.95 Leica. However it is designed for mirrorless cameras only, that is Leica M or Sony A7.


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Sep 14, 2014 20:40 |  #74

Indeed!
6 months ago before getting my 50L f1.2 I was searching for faster options specifically for my 6D.

I was seriously considering the 50L f1.0 lens and the af was a bonus.
The Nikon 50 f1,2 was the cheapest MF option I found.
As far as options of f1.0 or f.95 lenses, for EOS, seemed non existent.
This lens me to mirrorless, and learning of the best options for the fastest production 50mm's.

I would love to try a 50mm f.95 on my 6D if anyone knows of one. MF is fine, and AF is not needed.


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Sep 14, 2014 21:21 as a reply to  @ post 17149229 |  #75

I don't know why anyone would buy this lens... stupid focus shift :rolleyes:

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