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16-35 f4 L vs 24L II

 
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Sep 13, 2014 23:02 |  #16

Silly question....are people afraid of using flash for indoor events LOL!!!

If I wanted to document an event with available light only I'll bring a prime. If the venue is dark I'll use flash...This is where I make a "call" and determine if I'm going to use f/2.8 zooms for convenience supplemented with flash or stick with 2 bodies and 2 primes.

Some situations where I do not want to disturb neighbouring tables at a restaurant I'll shoot primes only .

For events I couldn't image buying a 16-35L f/4 IS or this is where I'll have to pull out the speedlight flash sooner than I'd want to......


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Sep 13, 2014 23:06 |  #17

Talley wrote in post #17152687 (external link)
Was at a birthday tonight. Indoor poorly lit jump type place. Tried the 24-105 for a couple of shots.... then pulled out the 35/85.

NO supplement for 1.4. Period.

ISO 6400 vs 25,600?... ya big diff. oh and I need to upgrade from the 430 to the 580 lol.

Get a handful of 600EX-RT's :)

Your 430ex2 flash is much more robust than a 580EX ii.

I just killed my 3rd 580EXii LOL!! piece of junk!!! all bought new too!!!

Once you get a 24Lmk2 you may not touch your 35mm prime at Bday parties that are space limited.


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Sep 14, 2014 10:45 |  #18

Wow! Such a wide variety of experiences and suggestions! I was thinking reading through would help guide my hand, but now I'm thinking the 16-35 2.8 ii would be better than the f4 for what I need, and maybe the 35l rather than the 24l might suit my needs better as well.

For those that mentioned flash...I do use it indoors when needed, but if I can shoot without it, I do. Also, the only time I do not use two bodies is outdoors when it is raining since there is no easy way for me to cover and carry both. The 70-200 gets used more than anything else, thus having a backup in my bag at all times. The 24-105 is used less and less, but it does have a purpose and will stay on my gear list. Because of this, I can't really justify spending so much money on the 24-70 2.8 when it is likely to be shelved the majority of the time. That is the main reason I was looking at the UWA zoom. The primes are appealing for the super wide aperture and usefulness in low light (and I love bokeh too)

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Sep 14, 2014 12:54 |  #19

AlanU wrote in post #17152840 (external link)
Silly question....are people afraid of using flash for indoor events LOL!!!

If I wanted to document an event with available light only I'll bring a prime. If the venue is dark I'll use flash...This is where I make a "call" and determine if I'm going to use f/2.8 zooms for convenience supplemented with flash or stick with 2 bodies and 2 primes.

Some situations where I do not want to disturb neighbouring tables at a restaurant I'll shoot primes only .

For events I couldn't image buying a 16-35L f/4 IS or this is where I'll have to pull out the speedlight flash sooner than I'd want to......

I'm always in horrible locations where I need 1.6-1.8 AND my flash. and my ISO will typically be 800 when ideal or up to 3200.


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Sep 14, 2014 13:23 |  #20

Well I've looked at the 16-35mm f/4L IS but to date have resisted it verses my 16-35mm f/2.8L II. I use this more for events and walking around than landscape. For that I actually prefer the Zeiss ZE 21mm f/2.8 or TS-E 24mm f/3.5L. And if I need to go wider I will use the ZE 18mm. I sold a 14mm V1 since it didn't really fit the way I shoot even though it was very wide. Of course for landscape you don't need or really want an f/1.4. I did own the 24mm f/1.4L II and found that while it was a great lens I would typically be using either the 16-35 f/2.8L II or the 24-70mm f/2.8L II at the time which I was hesitant to remove. Also I do have a 35L if I need to go that fast and find I like that focal length more than 24mm for people. Also, I'm not afraid to use flash if I really need it. I know there are times and places where flashes are not allowed here a f/1.4 24mm would be great but for me those are rare.

If I rule out my 24-70mm f/2.8L II which is a work horse for me and the TS-E 24mm which is a specialty lens IMO, I have the 16-35, 18, 21, 35 and I would love to pair this down but I'm not sure what I want to give up. I agree with others that having the 16-35mm f/4L IS with the 24mm f/1.4L II would be a great combo since on is for Landscape IMO and the other for people, events, really low light. Have thought about that approach as well.

I guess I favor these two pairs
EF 16-35mm f/2.8L II and ZE 21mm (the way I went because there was no 16-35mm f/4)

or
EF 16-35mm f/4L IS and 24mm f/1.4L II

One tuned to landscapes and one tuned to events and people. Now just pick which would be a prime and which would be a zoom depending on what you shoot.


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Sep 14, 2014 13:43 |  #21

As pleasantly surprising as the new f/4 is, it's not going to knock the Zeiss 21 off its landscape perch but it looks like it'll cover the Z18 adequately.

Bob


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Sep 14, 2014 15:39 |  #22

Canon Bob wrote in post #17153840 (external link)
As pleasantly surprising as the new f/4 is, it's not going to knock the Zeiss 21 off its landscape perch but it looks like it'll cover the Z18 adequately.

Bob

It is surprisingly good compared to the Zeiss 21...

http://www.the-digital-picture.com …omp=0&FLIComp=1​&APIComp=0 (external link)




  
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Sep 14, 2014 16:34 |  #23

a911s wrote in post #17154022 (external link)
It is surprisingly good compared to the Zeiss 21...

http://www.the-digital-picture.com …omp=0&FLIComp=1​&APIComp=0 (external link)

However, the 24-70mm Mark II is better than both. ;) Overall the 24-70mm II is sharper and higher contrast, except in the corners.

http://www.the-digital-picture.com …omp=0&FLIComp=0​&APIComp=2 (external link)

It's similarly great in comparison to the 24mm II.

http://www.the-digital-picture.com …omp=0&FLIComp=0​&APIComp=2 (external link)

You need the TS-E 24mm to better the 24-70mm Mark II, it's similarly sharp but is much better in the corners.
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Sep 14, 2014 17:07 |  #24

a911s wrote in post #17154022 (external link)
It is surprisingly good compared to the Zeiss 21...

It is surprisingly sharp compared to the Zeiss 21.....if sharpness is the only factor then I'm sure that there are dozens of lenses you could use and not see much or any difference when shooting real subjects.....especiall​y down at f/6.3-f/11.
Certainly the Z21 (or the Z18) isn't ideal for IR usage whereas the 16-35/4 looks good based on my limited tests.

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Sep 14, 2014 19:54 |  #25

Agreed, that's why I still use Leica R prime lenses on my 5D Mk IIIs. Yet, I have been very impressed with the color contrast and resistance to flare using the 16-35 f4 IS L for the past month. It is an amazing lens in the field between f4 and f16. Better than any previous Canon UWA zoom in that regard IMO.




  
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Sep 15, 2014 19:00 |  #26

AlanU wrote in post #17152852 (external link)
Get a handful of 600EX-RT's :)

Your 430ex2 flash is much more robust than a 580EX ii.

I just killed my 3rd 580EXii LOL!! piece of junk!!! all bought new too!!!

Once you get a 24Lmk2 you may not touch your 35mm prime at Bday parties that are space limited.

I hope you know about the 580ex ii and tt5 flash tube issue. It's been very well documented.
https://photography-on-the.net …showthread.php?​p=13165417


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Sep 15, 2014 20:05 |  #27

got my 24L...

damn it seems wide lol. nice and sharp. Focus is off. +5 so far but think it's dialed in. Surprised how shallow the DOF is really for being 24mm.

where's that darn like button.


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Dec 07, 2015 00:55 |  #28

^ Small world Talley. I bought the 24L long before the 16-35 existed.
You got the 16-35L f4 before your 24L II right?


Well, flash forward three months and I now own the 16-35 f4
It will complement my 24L II,
I will be putting it through its paces this weekend as my only lens for Saturday and Sunday.
I'll report back my informal comparisons, last weekend I only took my 24L II.


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Dec 08, 2015 01:33 |  #29

the 24L II is the type of lens that if you "needed" it you wouldn't have to ask on an internet chat forum. the 16-35L f4 IS is the best normal UW zoom made by anyone. I shoot at 16mm a lot, and wider


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Dec 09, 2015 10:11 |  #30

Tough Choice, yes.
Wrong Choice, no.

Zoom vs. Prime.......

In the winter of 2013 I needed to buy a Wide Angle Zoom for my new 5D Mark III.
16-35 f/2.8 L or the 17-40 f/4 L.
Basically twice the price for one additional stop. Picked on...the 17-40 f/4 L.
A few months later, the introduction of the highly acclaimed 16-35 f/4 L IS.....MMMM...
Late this Summer with a trip to Rome on the horizon, I decided to go for the 16-35 f/4 L IS. Yes Image Stabilization in a Wide Angle Zoom, with improved everything.
The excuse I needed as Basillicas and old Churches do not allow tripods. The images I captured Hand Held would not have been possible with the 17-40 f/4 L.
While a prime allows the advantage of Aperture, the flexibility of the Zoom was needed.
I still have the 17-40 f/4 L as a competent back up which is nice in reserve.


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