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7D mkII. What do you think the specs and price will be?

 
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Sep 14, 2014 18:59 |  #631

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What specs have you read that say it's NOT the 70D sensor?

The main thing is that I haven't seen a single line of official specifications.

But going for inofficial specifications, we have seen claims to 1080p/60 while the 70D does 1080p/30. This could be just a result of the dual DIGIC 6 support, allowing more data to be processed. And we have seen claims of the 7D2 sensor being new. And we have seen claims of different ISO range. But we have not seen any of the claims saying "same".

So right now, the unofficial specifications have several hints at a change but no hints at the sensor being same - unless you take same form factor and same number of MP as meaning the same sensor.


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Sep 14, 2014 19:53 |  #632

same MP doesnt mean same sensor. just means same pixel density. if they kept it 18MP that wouldnt 100% mean its the same olde 7D sensor from 5 years ago. and the form factor will likely stay the same as the only cameras that have completely different body styles are the rebel series that lack top display screen and the 1series that is a full size body with larger battery




  
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Sep 14, 2014 20:12 |  #633

pwm2 wrote in post #17154328 (external link)
So right now, the unofficial specifications have several hints at a change but no hints at the sensor being same - unless you take same form factor and same number of MP as meaning the same sensor.

Actually, I think it's somewhat rare that Canon uses the exact same sensor in siblings that have substantially different release points, as is the case with the 70D versus the 7D2 (their release times are significantly different). So to focus on that is to miss the point.

The point is that there's little reason to believe that the 7D2 sensor will be substantially more capable than the 70D sensor. 1/3 of a stop better high ISO noise signature is not a substantial improvement, for instance, but it is easily possible that it's what we're going to get. We got even less than that going from the 7D to the 70D, and that's with four years separating the two. For that, it looks like we got in the ballpark of 1/8th of a stop, based on a cursory examination of the raw files from each at ISO 12800.

The main thing is that I expect no real improvement at all in terms of low ISO dynamic range.


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Sep 14, 2014 22:27 |  #634

in the case of many but not all 7D2 hopeful buyers are hoping for more improvement on the action/sports side of photography. i dont speak for everyone but i hope for an improvement in high iso noise at sensitivities like 3200 & 6400, low iso DR is a nice thing to have but not a must in a camera body geared towards action and video. my 7D doesnt handle poorly lit soccer fields very well at iso 6400 but i dont expect many cameras to handle super awful light especially at this price point. im prepared to buy a more expensive camera if the 7D2 doesnt live up to much of an improvement. as much as id love a 5D3 it just is slow on the fps for sports, i dont need fast fps all the time but there are moments in sports where it is a make or break thing.




  
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Sep 14, 2014 23:35 |  #635

Remember that high ISO happens by analog amplification of partially charged wells. And since the high ISO images are generated by only partially charged wells, they have less DR than low ISO images - the amplification will also lift the black level closer and closer to the highlight limit.

So if Canon gets all the kinks out of their AD conversion troubles, then better low ISO DR would normally also translate into better high ISO performance. Prio 1 is to capture as many photons as possible. Prio 2 is to make sure that the contents of the wells can be digitized as truthfully as possible.


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Sep 15, 2014 02:33 |  #636

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Actually, I think it's somewhat rare that Canon uses the exact same sensor in siblings that have substantially different release points, as is the case with the 70D versus the 7D2 (their release times are significantly different). So to focus on that is to miss the point.

The point is that there's little reason to believe that the 7D2 sensor will be substantially more capable than the 70D sensor. 1/3 of a stop better high ISO noise signature is not a substantial improvement, for instance, but it is easily possible that it's what we're going to get. We got even less than that going from the 7D to the 70D, and that's with four years separating the two. For that, it looks like we got in the ballpark of 1/8th of a stop, based on a cursory examination of the raw files from each at ISO 12800.

The main thing is that I expect no real improvement at all in terms of low ISO dynamic range.

... And low ISO dynamic range is what everyone is banking that this 7D II WILL HAVE. If there is pattern noise in the shadows at ISO 100, and you can't push the shadows +4 stops to have the quality of the shadows be equal to the Nikon or Sony, I think we're all going to be less inclined to buy the 7D II.

So your desire for better high ISO performance will therefore still be hindered. What we need is low ISO noise performance equal to the Nikon and Sony sensors, so the dynamic range is better at both low AND high ISO.




  
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Sep 15, 2014 02:39 |  #637

Brian_R wrote in post #17154641 (external link)
in the case of many but not all 7D2 hopeful buyers are hoping for more improvement on the action/sports side of photography. i dont speak for everyone but i hope for an improvement in high iso noise at sensitivities like 3200 & 6400, low iso DR is a nice thing to have but not a must in a camera body geared towards action and video. my 7D doesnt handle poorly lit soccer fields very well at iso 6400 but i dont expect many cameras to handle super awful light especially at this price point. im prepared to buy a more expensive camera if the 7D2 doesnt live up to much of an improvement. as much as id love a 5D3 it just is slow on the fps for sports, i dont need fast fps all the time but there are moments in sports where it is a make or break thing.

5D III is slow for sports?! Do you realize that until 10 years ago, the fastest FPS that any camera you ever saw a Sports Illustrated, USA Today front page picture, or any Olympic photograph from the last 70 years came from a camera that had 6 FPS max?? You call it a make or break thing, but it's not. The photographers that actually get the money shots today still tell everyone that timing the shot is far more effective than firing away at 10 FPS. It's definitely not a make or break thing, unless you have everything remote controlled and there isn't a photographer behind the camera...




  
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Sep 15, 2014 03:57 |  #638

CRCchemist wrote in post #17154897 (external link)
The photographers that actually get the money shots today still tell everyone that timing the shot is far more effective than firing away at 10 FPS.

That may be what they say, but try standing behind them at a big sporting event and listen to the noise of machine-gun shutters.


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Sep 15, 2014 04:24 |  #639

CRCchemist wrote in post #17154897 (external link)
5D III is slow for sports?! Do you realize that until 10 years ago, the fastest FPS that any camera you ever saw a Sports Illustrated, USA Today front page picture, or any Olympic photograph from the last 70 years came from a camera that had 6 FPS max??

Did you explicitly ignore the EOS-1V doing 10fps and released 2000?


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Sep 15, 2014 06:41 |  #640

hollis_f wrote in post #17154963 (external link)
That may be what they say, but try standing behind them at a big sporting event and listen to the noise of machine-gun shutters.

yes, they all want or need 10 fps




  
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Sep 15, 2014 06:46 |  #641

hollis_f wrote in post #17154963 (external link)
That may be what they say, but try standing behind them at a big sporting event and listen to the noise of machine-gun shutters.

As a TV Sound Engineer, I can testify to that. They sit behind our rifle mics and spray all over them (so to speak). Sometimes you hear the cameras more than you hear the ball being kicked :( Although I think they get quieter as each successive generation is released, But this can be offset by the near film rate they fire at :(


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Sep 15, 2014 06:56 |  #642

CRCchemist wrote in post #17154891 (external link)
... And low ISO dynamic range is what everyone is banking that this 7D II WILL HAVE. If there is pattern noise in the shadows at ISO 100, and you can't push the shadows +4 stops to have the quality of the shadows be equal to the Nikon or Sony, I think we're all going to be less inclined to buy the 7D II.

So your desire for better high ISO performance will therefore still be hindered. What we need is low ISO noise performance equal to the Nikon and Sony sensors, so the dynamic range is better at both low AND high ISO.

I sincerely doubt it. For the sports and wildlife shooters that this camera is designed for, this issue just isn't that much of a deal-breaker.


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Sep 15, 2014 07:34 |  #643

I see you can pre-order the 7DII for $1,800 from B&H according to Canon Rumors (external link)


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Sep 15, 2014 07:42 |  #644

http://www.usa.canon.c​om …isplay/eos_7dmk​ii_feature (external link)

The official announcement is in.
$1800.
I had voted $1700 about 15 years ago when this thread started... ;)


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Sep 15, 2014 08:45 |  #645

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And his sources that said Sept 5th announcement have now changed their mind and it's the 5th..

10 days off - not too bad from a site that so many people are convinced only presents random wild guesses without any base in reality.


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