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Sep 14, 2014 23:58 |  #181

CyberDyneSystems wrote in post #17153950 (external link)
It really is looking exactly like the 5D3. The pop up flash means the housing ion top sticks out a lot more on the 7D2, but yeah. Identical controls.

the 5d3 was a copy of the 7d.this is why the 7d was such a game change. Lcd viewfinder new ergonomics that ultimately carved the 5d3


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Sep 15, 2014 00:52 |  #182

mclaren777 wrote in post #17154736 (external link)
It's not that simple.

Many of us are frustrated with Canon because they're so slow to innovate. If the 7D2 has an antiquated sensor like the 70D, why should we have any hope that the 5D4 will be given a better treatment?

Canon isn't going to change unless the market forces them to, and they are already so far behind that they may never fully catch up. That's why we're so negative right now.

Actually it is that simple. If you don't like the way the company is going, or the product they are producing, buy something else. What do you gain by saying you shoot with a Canon. Unless your marketing is slanted to using the canon name, canon doesn't care what you shoot with, other photographers don't care what you shoot with, and your clients don't care. I will never understand why people are getting so bent out of shape about this new camera. All the rumors have been that it's a new sensor. If you believe it's not going to be, great. Don't buy it, buy something else. It really is that simple. Why spend all this energy being an upset customer, get what you want. If it's not being made by canon buy it elsewhere, If it's not being made by anyone, well then you're screwed :)


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Sep 15, 2014 02:40 |  #183

mclaren777 wrote in post #17154736 (external link)
It's not that simple.

Many of us are frustrated with Canon because they're so slow to innovate. If the 7D2 has an antiquated sensor like the 70D, why should we have any hope that the 5D4 will be given a better treatment?

Canon isn't going to change unless the market forces them to, and they are already so far behind that they may never fully catch up. That's why we're so negative right now.

Again, you/we, are all getting worked up for nothing. No one has any idea what the sensor is capable of yet. IF you're right, ya, there will be a lot of disappointed canon fans, myself included. But after 5 years of SO much anticipation, I find it extremely hard to believe that canon would be that stupid and lazy. Let's all just calm down and give them the benefit of the doubt until we've seen some real-world tests. Nuff said.


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Sep 15, 2014 03:47 |  #184

I don't think we going to see any magic in the new sensor. It will be typical little of this, little of that.


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Sep 15, 2014 05:00 |  #185

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Or they can re-hash the 70D sensor, which wasn't any better with IQ then the 60D sensor.

That, my friend, is uninformed tripe.




  
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Sep 15, 2014 05:04 |  #186

mclaren777 wrote in post #17154736 (external link)
Canon isn't going to change unless the market forces them to, and they are already so far behind that they may never fully catch up. That's why we're so negative right now.

Canon won't change until it needs to - and despite the interminable caterwauling about the "terrible" sensors in Canons (which is of course, utter BS) - they don't need to.

Low ISO DR is a niche "issue", and Canon recognises it for what it is.




  
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Sep 15, 2014 05:06 |  #187

mclaren777 wrote in post #17154736 (external link)
If the 7D2 has an antiquated sensor like the 70D

What an asinine comment. Constantly repeating this drivel doesn't make it true, you know.

Based on actual experience (try it some time - you might like it) the 70D's sensor is head-and-shoulders above anything else Canon has produced in APS-C, and hardly different in any meaningful metric to the "magic" Exmors, here in the Real World.




  
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Sep 15, 2014 05:12 |  #188

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It's odd, given how old the 7D is, that there aren't more improvements. It doubly strikes me as odd that this camera lacks three of the most useful features of the 70D; touchscreen, articulated LCD, and wi-fi. Very similar to the rather pathetic upgrade Sony did with their a77 II recently.

This is, quite simply, a niche camera for those who need speed.

I'd imagine the weatherproofing is better without an articulating LCD. As far as touchscreens have come on cameras, I haven't really been a fan (for mirrorless bodies anyhow). Lack of wifi does seem odd though.


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Sep 15, 2014 05:32 |  #189

Keith R wrote in post #17154988 (external link)
Canon won't change until it needs to - and despite the interminable caterwauling about the "terrible" sensors in Canons (which is of course, utter BS) - they don't need to.

Low ISO DR is a niche "issue", and Canon recognises it for what it is.

Um, they do need to change, Canon's best APS-C on the market (70D) doesn't come close to it's nearest competition.


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Sep 15, 2014 05:39 |  #190

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Um, they do need to change, Canon's best APS-C on the market (70D) doesn't come close to it's nearest competition.

So you think. Others think differently. Loads of these people have paid good money - and that's the only thing that Canon really care about.

Keeping fanboiz and measurebators happy comes 947th on their list of important things.


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Sep 15, 2014 06:31 |  #191

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So you think. Others think differently. Loads of these people have paid good money - and that's the only thing that Canon really care about.

Keeping fanboiz and measurebators happy comes 947th on their list of important things.

No I don't think, I know (below - as posted in another thread). Opinions are one thing, fact is another, yes many people have bought their cameras which means they make a good product, just what they're offering isn't "on par or better than" what's already on the market - which is the point you've been sprouting.

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Sep 15, 2014 06:38 |  #192

I love my 7D. I shoot mainly water based sport (and the odd birdie) and find the 7D almost perfect for my needs. Weather sealing, burst rate, good AI servo etc Any tweak or improvement to these things would be great even though I am content with what the 7D does already. I would like better noise performance if possible, as I can't afford big prime lenses so buy cheaper, slower ones and hence push the ISO a bit. So, from the 'Canon leaks' I see a camera which is a little bit better in every way, but potentially disappointing in the sensor :( Part of my need is Canons fault. I moved up from a 350D to a 40D and finally the 7D. And suddenly found I had gone from a complacent snapper, so someone who started finding that all these clever little systems helped me take better quality pictures and my 'keep rate' rocketed. I invested in my first L glass (70-200mm f2.8 II) and suddenly I wanted more and more and more. I stopped worrying about needing new high heeled shoes (well within reason) and didn't worry that my hair got blown about until I looked like I had been dragged through a hedge backwards. I upgraded my waterproof clothing and now resemble a waterproof bag lady. The only thing I wanted was more from my camera! (usual disclaimers of the photographer takes the picture, not the camera apply)

I didn't want WiFi (I have a CamRanger), so I am happy there, I didn't want a touch screen (I sometimes have long nails so small touch screens can be a pain) so I am happy there too, oh and I didn't want 4K so everything looks as though it has been designed almost specifically for me. But I so hope that sensor is a decent improvement. It's a bit like being presented with a beautiful slice of Victoria sponge cake, but there is a vicious rumour that there is no jam in the middle.

Fingers and toes crossed for the first full review and some nice jam from Canon :)

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Sep 15, 2014 06:41 |  #193

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How dare you bring measured facts into the fight. ;)

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Sep 15, 2014 06:48 |  #194

I like the little improvements seen from a 60D/7D to now 70D but from the perspective of a 5yr old camera it's pretty disappointing that's it. If people want a sales perspective, I reckon they would've been more sales in a "7D w/ new sensor" vs a "faster 7D" which is what this is looking like.

(FWIW I like my 70D but unlike others I don't make excuses for it's rapidly aging sensor; it's like Intel tweaking it's P4s until it finally realised it needed to leap ahead which it finally did, and well)


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Sep 15, 2014 06:58 |  #195

Keith R wrote in post #17154988 (external link)
Canon won't change until it needs to - and despite the interminable caterwauling about the "terrible" sensors in Canons (which is of course, utter BS) - they don't need to.

Low ISO DR is a niche "issue", and Canon recognises it for what it is.

The dog I am would be please when my Canon master will get rid of this too old niche for a new one ;)

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