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Canon officially announces the 7D Mark II

 
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Sep 16, 2014 00:45 |  #436

burnet44 wrote in post #17157475 (external link)
so who buys this?

Mom and dad. ;)


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Sep 16, 2014 00:46 |  #437

pwm2 wrote in post #17157471 (external link)
Canon have intentionally forbidden people from inserting memory cards in the 7D2 when doing previews of the body. Canon want as many weeks of constant debates and new posts about the camera - having all information released the same day would end the debates too quickly.

It's a standard practice to try to prolong the interest window. When making new movies, you get lots of sneak peaks, trailers, etc already a year before the film is released just to constantly have people speculate and wonder.

And the review sites will also make more money from this - people will continue to return back to their sites again and again to check for any updates.

So when I see a few shots at 1600 iso from the mark 11 that look the same as or better than 200 or 400 iso shots from the old 7 d mark 1 then I will believe the canon marketing hype because at the moment that is all it is - marketing hype by paid marketing people - very interesting there are no iso comparison shots around - surely if the iso was such a big leap forward on the new mark 11 they would have put that up in big lights rather than "the trust us we are marketing people " hype being put out now
call me cynical if you like but wait and see may be the go - !!!
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Sep 16, 2014 00:51 |  #438

t3iblues wrote in post #17157467 (external link)
Yeah, us folks in the mirrorless world just laugh at these "advancements" of the 7DMk2. 10 fps? Olympus and Panasonic had that years ago in their micro four thirds mirrorless bodies. The Panasonic GH4 and the inexpensive $899.00 FZ1000 can even shoot thirty 8 MP photos per second! That's what 4K video amounts to: thirty high quality extractable 8 MP photos per second. The colors rendered by the FZ1000 are quite close to Canon colors, so the color advantage of the Canon brand is becoming less relevant as well. When, if ever, are Canikon going to innovate the way Panasonic, Sony and Samsung have been? Yes, even Samsung has a 4K $1500 model too right now, the NX1.

Wow - the FZ1000 manages to flap the non-existant mirror that fast? Or wait a minute - you forgot the technical difference between a DSLR and a mirrorless bridge camera constantly operating in "video mode"?

But you haven't noticed that the mirrorlesss world also adds some disadvantages?


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Sep 16, 2014 01:37 |  #439

t3iblues wrote in post #17157467 (external link)
Yeah, us folks in the mirrorless world just laugh at these "advancements" of the 7DMk2. 10 fps? Olympus and Panasonic had that years ago in their micro four thirds mirrorless bodies. The Panasonic GH4 and the inexpensive $899.00 FZ1000 can even shoot thirty 8 MP photos per second! That's what 4K video amounts to: thirty high quality extractable 8 MP photos per second. The colors rendered by the FZ1000 are quite close to Canon colors, so the color advantage of the Canon brand is becoming less relevant as well. When, if ever, are Canikon going to innovate the way Panasonic, Sony and Samsung have been? Yes, even Samsung has a 4K $1500 model too right now, the NX1.


There we go, the inevitable ":rolleyes: us mirrorless folks are superior" comment. I was wondering when this would show up.

You can keep your glorified point-and-shoots, i'd rather look through a pentaprizim than a laggy EVF ;)


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Sep 16, 2014 01:48 |  #440

pwm2 wrote in post #17157463 (external link)
But whatever changes they make - will they ever dare to say "finally fixed the readout noise"? I think that when Canon know they have a sensor that can match low ISO DR performance, they will still do hand wavings and point in other directions.

I think when Canon knows they have a high DR sensor, then they will announce the camera that contains that sensor as having a substantial improvement in dynamic range.

Remember how they announced the 50D? They claimed it was substantially less noisy (by something like a couple of stops) than the 40D that preceded it. That turns out to have been true in part due to the increased resolution (noise in the frame was better than from the 40D as a result), but mainly as a result of the improved noise reduction algorithms in the camera's raw converter.

Clearly, when Canon has some substantial advantage, they announce that advantage, even when the real advantage (at the raw level) isn't that substantial.

We've seen nothing of the kind from Canon as regards dynamic range. Not one peep. Based on Canon's clear willingness to proclaim their improvements to the world, that they haven't said squat about dynamic range should make it clear that Canon's got nothing there.


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Sep 16, 2014 01:51 |  #441

panicatnabisco wrote in post #17157534 (external link)
There we go, the inevitable ":rolleyes: us mirrorless folks are superior" comment. I was wondering when this would show up.

You can keep your glorifed point-and-shoots, i'd rather look through a pentaprizim than a laggy EVF ;)

It's almost as bad as the Apple/Android wars. "OMG we had that years ago" Aye but I dropped mine in a river, roll about in heather for hours, get it all muddy and footballs get smacked off it all the time. Still ticking.

Actually, no point in arguing the fact. It's not even an issue in the real world.




  
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Sep 16, 2014 02:00 |  #442

It is exactly like apple/android wars and in the the end, everyone's out of focus photos of their cat will look the same in facebook no matter what camera was used.

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Sep 16, 2014 02:00 |  #443

New camera announced? Time to go online and fight people


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Sep 16, 2014 02:00 |  #444

Sometimes it feels like these guys never took a single picture with DSLR, otherwise they would know, that it is almost impossible with mirrorless to shoot anything that moves faster than handicapped snail.


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Sep 16, 2014 02:00 |  #445

t3iblues wrote in post #17157467 (external link)
Yeah, us folks in the mirrorless world just laugh at these "advancements" of the 7DMk2. 10 fps? Olympus and Panasonic had that years ago in their micro four thirds mirrorless bodies. The Panasonic GH4 and the inexpensive $899.00 FZ1000 can even shoot thirty 8 MP photos per second!

But how many of those shots will be in focus?


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Sep 16, 2014 02:17 |  #446

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Seems like there are a few Nikon folks a bit jealous of the 7dii. This goes to say that the grass is alway greener on the other side.

http://www.fredmiranda​.com/forum/topic/13182​95/1 (external link)

Haha! Hilarious!

It's a mirror image of all the Canon threads here if you replace the words "Canon" with "Nikon", and "Wildlife/sports" and "Landscape". :D


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Sep 16, 2014 02:27 |  #447

To be fair it's the highest specced aps-c camera with a mirror (except non translucent mirror) . Arguements can be made for and against mirrorless or whatever but the speccs on this camera are amazing. If it takes photos as good or better than the 70d at the speed and spec it has it will be amazing. If it's not good enough for you look elsewhere, this camera will make a lot of people happy.

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Sep 16, 2014 02:30 |  #448

It looks great.
I am still happy with my 7D Classic, so any improvement (and I believe the mkII is a great improvement) will be welcome when the old lady decides to retire and a successor is waiting to be purchased.
Why not just try to be happy with this new born?




  
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Sep 16, 2014 02:32 |  #449

burnet44 wrote in post #17157475 (external link)
so who buys this?

It is indeed directed at those a bit more 'pro', which also includes the ff shooters. The rebel line is targeted at those users moving out of bridge and p&s cameras, the 70d is for the next level, and the 7d for those that want something more akin to the 1d series, or a crop backup to their serious ff work. Remember the 7d is the 3rd level aps-c body, both in feature/function and price. Mom and dads just getting a camera to shoot little johnny slugging a ball are not typically out spending $2000 on a camera kit.

6d + 70d
Or
5d3 +7dii

Canon would love to have every ff shooter adding an apsc to their bags! They would also love to entice all those that currently shoot with a 70d to upgrade. A 70d and 70-200 II are more than sufficient for shooting the moon, highschool football, and swimsuits, but for those that either know they need more OR think a new body like the 7dii will improve their results, Canon wants them to believe they need to upgrade. ;)

So those that buy the 7dii:
o those that change gear every year or so due to wanting the latest and greatest
o those with larger pocketbooks
o those that are hindered by their current gear
o those wanting a good backup to their ff gear
o those that cannot rationalize or have the funds for a 1d series
o those with really old equipment and think it's about time to upgrade and don't want to upgrade again for several more years
o those that aren't sure why their current apsc body isn't producing the results they want

Are a majority of these folks a mom or dad? Yes...


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Sep 16, 2014 02:51 |  #450

burnet44 wrote in post #17157475 (external link)
so who buys this?

moms and dads.


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