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Canon officially announces the 7D Mark II

 
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Sep 16, 2014 08:13 |  #481

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At $1799, they are hitting the price point. It's a nice offering at that price.

The sensor geek in my is disappointed, though. New micro-lenses, doesn't mean new sensor. Now, if you eliminate CFA and use a micro-lens prism to split the light to each pixel, then maybe you have a new sensor. But even that's borderline. Both can give gains, though. So we will see.

The thing that's bothering me, is that the 70D dual pixels were said to have created additional gaps between the pixels. When it was released, though being a new sensor, it only slightly improved on the 60D. If this helps them realize the full potential of the sensor, then great, but it's still the 70D sensor.

It will be extra photons, though. That's the best way to get signal. I wonder what the efficiency increase will be.

I'm still trying to watch all of the reviews. I really want to want a new DSLR.

It is more than a change in microlens design per canon marketing material, for what that is worth.


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Sep 16, 2014 08:14 |  #482

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For JPEG images, I'm very impressed. So whether it's software or hardware improvements, at least the "mom and pop" group will appreciate it. If the raw is pretty clean at ISO 6400, I think the 7dii will be a game changer.

I'm not seeing this as a game changer but a very decent upgrade several years late. There is nothing in this camera that shouldn't have been released 2 years ago when it would have been more of a game changer. 5 years of development and I got to say, not a whole lot to show for it.

For a company that want's to stay in the sensor business, Canon better get off it's a$$ and start developing sensors.


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Sep 16, 2014 08:18 |  #483

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Some high ISO photos. They look really good. However....JPEG.....

http://mattgranger.com​/7d2 (external link)

However, one-third are out of focus :cry:


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Sep 16, 2014 08:21 |  #484

Yea some of the higher ISO shots are better than the lower ones. Definitely some focus issues and not very useful as comparisons. Need a better controlled series of photos.The 6400 ISO shot seems decent.


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Sep 16, 2014 08:22 |  #485

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I'm not seeing this as a game changer but a very decent upgrade several years late. There is nothing in this camera that shouldn't have been released 2 years ago when it would have been more of a game changer. 5 years of development and I got to say, not a whole lot to show for it.

For a company that want's to stay in the sensor business, Canon better get off it's a$$ and start developing sensors.

True that canon needs to get off it's a$$ regarding sensor tech, esp for the next gen full frame. But for a $1800 "baby" 1DX that blows away any equally priced Nikon or Sony or samsung camera out there, it's a game changer.


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Sep 16, 2014 08:22 |  #486

TeamSpeed wrote in post #17158003 (external link)
It is more than a change in microlens design per canon marketing material, for what that is worth.


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That the dual Digic 6s are superstars there's no doubt.
Unfortunately, everything I've read and seen so far confirms that the 500nm process continues its improbably long life.

Canon has introduced backlit 180nm sensors (1/2.3" PowerShot SX280 HS) with Digic 6 a full year and a half ago...
This leads to conclude low yields on larger sensors therefore still making it impossible to introduce the 7DII with a truly new process sensor.
What a shame...

Not saying that the re-worked 70D sensor is not good (or even good enough) but the lost opportunity here to hit it out of the park is what makes it very disappointing.


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Sep 16, 2014 08:23 |  #487

snake0ape wrote in post #17157997 (external link)
For JPEG images, I'm very impressed. Especially at 12800 and 51200 ISO. So whether it's software or hardware improvements, at least the "mom and pop" group will appreciate it. If the raw is pretty clean at ISO 6400, I think the 7dii will be a game changer. http://mattgranger.com​/7d2 (external link)

even the 25600 looks good....just looks like focus is missed on the shot. If we get more confirmation of low light performance, looks like time for upgrade!




  
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Sep 16, 2014 08:24 |  #488

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However, one-third are out of focus :cry:

Noticed that too.


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Sep 16, 2014 08:24 |  #489

I agree 711 Nikon is better in low light IMHO
way better

until I see real world shots with this I will continue to believe that
Ive seen real world examples of both and canon has 1 in the top 10 #10 on DXO low light scores (take that with grain of salt)


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Sep 16, 2014 08:26 |  #490

hollis_f wrote in post #17158019 (external link)
However, one-third are out of focus :cry:

Seriously! Makes a great demo useless!


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Sep 16, 2014 08:27 |  #491

hollis_f wrote in post #17158019 (external link)
However, one-third are out of focus :cry:

Yeah, I noticed that Matt can't focus. Blame the photographer. It can't be the camera, aye.


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Sep 16, 2014 08:28 |  #492

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so who buys this?

--birders
--multi-media and photojournalists
--sports shooters
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--Rebel, X0D, 7D upgraders
--Sony and Nikon crop migraters
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Sep 16, 2014 08:30 |  #493

snake0ape wrote in post #17158036 (external link)
Yeah, I noticed that Matt can't focus. Blame the photographer. It can't be the camera, aye.

For those having been to Photokina will confirm that the exhibit space has very low light and using a brand new camera with a complex AF system for the 1st time would stump even seasoned pros.

I imagine even if he just used the -3EV center focus point and recomposed, focus would still suffer from model moving, photog moving etc...


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Sep 16, 2014 08:31 |  #494

I'm a dad but mom is not allowed to touch my camera stuff....

so what category does that fall into?


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Sep 16, 2014 08:31 |  #495

Even if they did very little to improve the 70D's sensor and microlenses are just marketing speak for 'we need to have something new to talk about', it will have quite good high ISO capabilities for a crop sensor.

Caveat: I suck at post-processing

All (external link) of (external link) these (external link) are at (external link) ISO 6400 (external link).

Since I do suck at post processing, I limit myself to ISO 6400, but if I were better, 12,800 wouldn't be out of the question even with this sensor.


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