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Sep 16, 2014 18:11 |  #76

Going back and re-reading the posts, I guess I don't see the claim that it's a 70D sensor unmodified, that is straight from the 70D to the 7DII. We already know it's been modified but by how much?


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Sep 16, 2014 18:21 |  #77

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Huh….source?

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Sep 16, 2014 18:28 |  #78

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AF?? You act like the 5D3 is a lesser system. It's not. It's a more precise system and world class. In many ways the 5D3 still retains a better system.

The two systems do not compare really. In some ways they are equal but in many ways they are far far apart.

Much as I love my 5D3 and the AF system, on what could you possibly base this assumption?

It is very possible that the 7D2 AF system will prove to be an improvement over the 5D3. We've never seen this AF system before. How can you make this statement and still have any credibility at all?


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Sep 16, 2014 18:33 |  #79

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You really cannot compare them, they are completely different but equal type setup.

Um, with the exception of the now deceased 1D/1Ds identical body series, these two cameras are more alike than any two Canon bodies in Canon history post film. Frankly I'll compare a rebel to a 1Dx without any problem, but I will certainly want to compare these two!

The 5D3 is essentially the 7DIIs.. except that unlike the 1D vs 1Ds the 5D only has 2 more MP in it's FF sensor instead of double like the 1Ds had.

The reason the 5D3 goodies are more affordable in the 7DII is they are 3 year old goodies.
Now the 7DII has it's much newer sensor and AF sytem, it is very likely the AF system will beat it, it obviously has the framerate,

I assume, and yes, it's only an assumption, that the 5D3 will indeed still win the ISO comparison based on conventional wisdom of larger photosites. I also truly believe the 7DII sensor will in fact be the same as the 70D regardless of what marketing claims.


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Sep 16, 2014 18:43 |  #80

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I think the important question is if it stacks up at ISO 100 performance to the Sony and Nikon sensors...

Who cares, at 10 FPS it's clearly a sports camera ISO100 DR is a moot point since most shooters will be cranking up the ISO.


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Sep 16, 2014 18:48 |  #81

Well, I lost a bet. I didn't believe Canon would put out a 7Dii. I'm happy they did. At the outset, it looks like a serious contender. My concern is that there is history with the 7D, then the 70D having focusing issues, albeit limited. Hopefully those have been addressed with this new bad boy.



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Sep 16, 2014 18:54 |  #82

gjl711 wrote in post #17159441 (external link)
Going back and re-reading the posts, I guess I don't see the claim that it's a 70D sensor unmodified, that is straight from the 70D to the 7DII. We already know it's been modified but by how much?

If you are talking about Mclaren's claim, if you look at the conversation as a whole I would say yes he is claiming its the exact same sensor as the 70D (quoting his exact words and what he quoted:)

Lone Rider wrote in post #17156264 (external link)
but it will be interesting to see if it stacks up in low light performance.

^ link showing 5D3 versus 70D

hang your cross wrote in post #17156438 (external link)
We don't know for sure what sensor it has.

mclaren777 wrote in post #17156526 (external link)
We most certainly do. If Canon had improved or replaced the 70D sensor, the press release surely would have spelled it out.

Silence, in this case, is an absolute confirmation.

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Sep 16, 2014 19:22 |  #83

I think I'll stick to my MkIII




  
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Sep 16, 2014 19:40 |  #84

The 3200 iso shot looks darn clean for a crop. I am impressed.

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Sep 16, 2014 19:55 |  #85

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I assume, and yes, it's only an assumption, that the 5D3 will indeed still win the ISO comparison based on conventional wisdom of larger photosites. I also truly believe the 7DII sensor will in fact be the same as the 70D regardless of what marketing claims.

Looking at the limited samples, I'm beginning to believe that this is not the breakthrough sensor many, including me, were hoping for but simply a slight improvement over what the 70D is offering already. What surprises me is, why wait so long Canon? There really isn't anything in this camera that couldn't have been put out years ago.


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Sep 16, 2014 20:08 |  #86

All 65 AF points are cross type

I think the 7DII will have a better AF. Seeing that this camera is newer, why wouldn't it. I might be interested in this mini-1dx ;)


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Sep 16, 2014 20:15 |  #87

From Canon's marketing brochure , it states that it's a second generation sensor of the dual pixel. So this certainly does not suggest breakthrough sensor tech. But if new hardware can rid of the black banding and improve on noise in raw, it's a good improvement.


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Sep 16, 2014 20:20 |  #88

panicatnabisco wrote in post #17159665 (external link)
All 65 AF points are cross type

I think the 7DII will have a better AF. Seeing that this camera is newer, why wouldn't it. I might be interested in this mini-1dx ;)


I think the point I'm trying to make is everyone says the 1dX has the best system out there and they base that on what?... it being a 1D? The 5D3 still has the same HARDWARE AF SENSOR.... and for the most part all the same menu settings etc. The 1D does have an advantage w/ being a higher voltage system and having RGB metering / iTR as well.

Now the 7D comes along and they say 65 all cross type and it's better than 5D3 but not better than 1dX which doesn't make sense because the 5D3 has the same system aside from above mention.


The way I see it is you have a new 7D focus system that is all cross type however it's fine print in detail that all cross type is only available on certain lenses. So now we must wait and see what this means. Essentially it's all 5.6 cross types and one center 2.8 dual cross.

The 5D3 has a more sensitive AF system identical to the 1dx in the fact it has 40 F4.0 sensitive cross types and 5 dual cross 2.8 in the center. Those facts alone means it will focus better in low light than a 5.6 type... is this not fact or then why even have 2.8/4.0 af sensors at all?

I understand that the 7D2 has some new system and we don't even know what it's capable of. However I think they had to do everything they could to help all those 5.6 sensors out to perform equal to the 1dx/5d3 BECAUSE.... they wanted and WE wanted a camera that matched the FF counterparts AF system.

I've said it multiple times. The AF systems are different yet should yield the same results. I will keep to my feeling that the 5D3 does indeed share a better more sensitive system for my needs.... AF tracking in ISO3200-12,800.

Only time will tell and again.... everybody and their mom will all compare it directly to the 5D3 and the results will all say (I predict) that they are pretty much on par of being equal.


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Sep 17, 2014 01:37 as a reply to  @ Talley's post |  #89

Focus guide for the mk2

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Tells you what lenses will give what AF points in each condition like the groups in the 5D3

Edit: Interesting that the brand new 10-18 can only AF with 45 points


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Sep 17, 2014 02:57 |  #90

CyberDyneSystems wrote in post #17159489 (external link)
I also truly believe the 7DII sensor will in fact be the same as the 70D regardless of what marketing claims.

I agree….the 70D sensor is also the same as a T2i.

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