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Is there a consensus if 7D ii sensor = 70D sensor?

 
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Sep 18, 2014 13:54 |  #46

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Personally, if the 7D2's sensor is as good as the 70D's, that will be good enough. It's not sensor performance that will distinguish these two cameras.

I mostly agree. However, again, based on marketing material alone, there better be some improvement over the 70D. If not, either the marketing material is a complete lie, or there truly isn't anything left for Canon to do with the current sensor design (including the circuitry/readouts/ADC​, not just the imaging sensor itself) to make it better without a complete overhaul. They have to go to the multi-layer, column parallel ADC on chip to get better results.


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Sep 18, 2014 13:57 |  #47

joedlh wrote in post #17163437 (external link)
Thanks for posting this image of pink pattern noise. I had no idea what everybody was talking about before this point.

I am not alone in my understanding that black is the absence of color. I have a 40D. I'm happy with the photos it produces. If I tone-map only the black part of an image, I would expect that random noise would appear and be accentuated, such as it is here. The way you people talk about it, you make it sound like it's a design flaw. It's just the nature of the beast, defined by the laws of physics. Is that so hard to understand? You may as well be asking Canon to give you wings so that you can fly.

The question that comes up in my mind is: why would this be a burning issue for anybody? If I want detail in the shadows I'll take multiple exposures and subject it to an HDR manipulation. The simple truth is that the shadows are not the subject in my photos. So I don't feel driven to do this. If your photography dwells in this realm, then I can see why you might be upset that you're seeing pink noise instead of stuff hidden in the shadows. But I get the feeling that you are one in a million with this approach. Sorry to pop your bubble, but nobody else cares.

Well, the reason everyone freaks about it, is because that Sony and Nikon have solved the pink noise problem and they don't show it anymore like the Canon sensors still do. That's the reason everyone talks about it.




  
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Sep 18, 2014 14:04 |  #48

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I mostly agree. However, again, based on marketing material alone, there better be some improvement over the 70D. If not, either the marketing material is a complete lie, or there truly isn't anything left for Canon to do with the current sensor design (including the circuitry/readouts/ADC​, not just the imaging sensor itself) to make it better without a complete overhaul. They have to go to the multi-layer, column parallel ADC on chip to get better results.

It's true that the marketing material goes a bit overboard with the "brand new", but I think that by R&D standards (not sure exactly what they are) the roughly 1,5 year that the 70D has been out still would count as close enough to brand new. Especially if they really do deliver on everthing else (e.g. doesn't have the same focus issues as the 70D, or those with the 7Dc).


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Sep 18, 2014 15:08 |  #49

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And all three members left would love it, however they would be board and lonely.

Not only 'board' (spell check) and lonely but there would be nothing left to whinge about.

Most people will believe the rumours and speculation, but if they're debunked we'll complain about that too.

People have got to have something to look forward to in life. :cool:


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Sep 18, 2014 15:22 |  #50

Here is a 5 stop push. Can the 70D save a bad shot like this?
http://www.dpreview.co​m/forums/post/54409915 (external link)


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Sep 18, 2014 16:16 |  #51

Hey ^^^ don't see pink splotches there, on the 100 iso push on 5 stops. is this relevant to high iso or no?


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Sep 18, 2014 16:23 |  #52

Lone Rider wrote in post #17163637 (external link)
Not only 'board' (spell check) and lonely but there would be nothing left to whinge about.

Most people will believe the rumours and speculation, but if they're debunked we'll complain about that too.

People have got to have something to look forward to in life. :cool:

What a sad life that is.


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Sep 18, 2014 16:51 |  #53

My hobby is sports photography with the emphasis on hobby. Being that it is a hobby, I now shoot with a Canon 7D because I can't afford a 1Dx body.

What will make me the happiest is if the 7D MkII can do better with noise at the high iso's that I sometimes have to use at night football games than what my current 7D does. If it does a little better than 70D, then I"ll be happy because that is better than my current 7D.

It won't have to be the best sensor in the world to fit my needs.

The new AF system,10 FPS, etc. will just be a bonus to me.


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Sep 18, 2014 16:56 |  #54

Being in Oregon, I couldn't care less what the low ISO performance is. I know that I will set ISO at 1600 or above, basically as high as possible to get my shutter speed high enough


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Sep 18, 2014 16:59 |  #55

Scrumhalf wrote in post #17163856 (external link)
Being in Oregon, I couldn't care less what the low ISO performance is. I know that I will set ISO at 1600 or above, basically as high as possible to get my shutter speed high enough

what does being in Oregon have to do with anything?




  
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Sep 18, 2014 17:01 |  #56

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what does being in Oregon have to do with anything?

Oregon is known for SAD syndrome aka Seasonal affective disorder. Prolonged dark and gloomy weather is the culprit.


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Sep 18, 2014 17:02 |  #57

flashpoint99 wrote in post #17163866 (external link)
what does being in Oregon have to do with anything?

It rains up there 7/8's of the time. ;)

One of the few places in the U.S. that has more rain than down here in Louisiana.

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Sep 18, 2014 17:04 |  #58

The old adage "If you must ask, you'll never understand" is applicable. Folks from the PNW or the British Isles who view the approaching winter gloom with resignation will know what being a birder in these climes means.


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Sep 18, 2014 17:12 |  #59

Scrumhalf wrote in post #17163878 (external link)
The old adage "If you must ask, you'll never understand" is applicable. Folks from the PNW or the British Isles who view the approaching winter gloom with resignation will know what being a birder in these climes means.

Oregon is a large state. Having visited it for over 20 years I can tell you from experience that Southern Oregon is very much different than Mid and Northern Oregon. Just seems like a blanket statement thats all.




  
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Sep 18, 2014 17:14 |  #60

Actually it's more Western (wet) vs Central/Eastern (dry), but point taken.


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