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Could someone explain in simple terms, what makes the D810 image look so clear?

 
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Sep 19, 2014 08:46 |  #61

alphamalex wrote in post #17163445 (external link)
The A7R is nice for sure, but actually I am lusting after the Alpha 7 S

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ISO 409,600 - I'd like to try astro, so this interests me - even half of that would :)
ONLY 12.2 MP though :(

Prolly still big enough to blow up and hang on the wall ..

The A7s is stellar for low light shooting. Pair it up with Sony's 55 1.8 and your set! :) I'm just waiting for Sony to release more fast primes.




  
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Sep 19, 2014 09:08 |  #62

jdizzle wrote in post #17165050 (external link)
The A7s is stellar for low light shooting. Pair it up with Sony's 55 1.8 and your set! :) I'm just waiting for Sony to release more fast primes.

That is the biggest problem with Sony, lenses. And they lucky no one else has figured out their sensor recipe so far. Once others (Canon) join, it is going to be tough but so far Canon guys are more like Microsoft under Ballmer and living in their own world.


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Sep 19, 2014 09:15 |  #63

bobbyz wrote in post #17165091 (external link)
That is the biggest problem with Sony, lenses. And they lucky no one else has figured out their sensor recipe so far. Once others (Canon) join, it is going to be tough but so far Canon guys are more like Microsoft under Ballmer and living in their own world.

It's all good. That's why I have my Nikon lineup. I've been using the 55 1.8 at weddings and it has not dissappointed me. :)




  
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Sep 19, 2014 09:27 |  #64

CyberDyneSystems wrote in post #17164261 (external link)
Oh indeed. Still a died in the wool ...

Is that the organic cocoon burial I keep hearing about? ;)


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Sep 19, 2014 09:28 |  #65

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There's a few factors that make the D810 superior.
1. No AA filter, as mentioned
2. 36mp means almost medium format resolution and a lot more detail per megapixel
3. on-sensor signal conversion, whereas Canon sensors have to convert the signal after it has passed through the sensor, upping the signal to noise ratio

It's not your imagination, Nikon's bodies really do make Canon image quality feel crappy if you need to push the darks. I have played with a D800E raw file and the amount of shadow push that you can achieve is pretty unbelievable. I am considering jumping ship some day as well.

No doubt the lack of an AA filter helps, but I've seen shots taken from a colleague with his D800 that has an AA filter that are simply jaw dropping with the amount of clarity and detail his camera produces. I think the Sony process is just that good.


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Sep 19, 2014 11:51 |  #66

PHOTOBUCKET EMBEDDING IS DISABLED BY THIS MEMBER.
Photobucket sends ads instead of embedding photos from their free galleries.
Click the link (if available) below to see the image in a gallery page.

http://i1379.photobuck​et.com …L2846Crop_zpse4​a79a8e.jpg (external link)
HTTP response: 404 | MIME changed to 'image/gif' | Byte size: ZERO


OK cropped to about 1/3 of the image
This is sort of what I am getting, but obviously Photobucket ruins it.

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Sep 19, 2014 12:04 |  #67

forget that image it somehow got reduced to 758 x 1024!!!


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Sep 19, 2014 12:25 |  #68

Submariner wrote in post #17164230 (external link)
I totally agree about the L glass. I can really see the difference say between the 40mm pancake and my 70-200 L F2.8 IS USM mk II ( which I think is a lovely lens - well certainly good enough for my taste and capability )

I would certainly hope that anybody (unless they are legally blind) could see the difference between pictures taken with a 40mm pancake and a 70-200 L mkII. I don't even see how you could do a legit comparison. Also, for portrait work why you need 36MP is beyond me. I do a fair amount of portrait work, my favourite rig is a lowly 10MP IDmKIII and my 24-70L mk1. My pictures on the screen and 16x20 prints are so sharp they want to make your eye's bleed, in fact its too sharp and often has to softened up in PP. If you want to emulate the out of the camera jpegs of the D800 (which is what your looking at on a LCD or puter screen) then start tweaking the individual variables in the picture style settings of your Canon camera. These settings have a huge impact on what the out of the camera pictures look like.


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Sep 19, 2014 12:31 |  #69

attempt to get the original size liked
http://i1379.photobuck​et.com …_zpsb32bcfe1.jp​g~original (external link)


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Sep 19, 2014 12:33 |  #70

Submariner wrote in post #17165379 (external link)
OK cropped to about 1/3 of the image
This is sort of what I am getting, but obviously Photobucket ruins it.

Shouldn't this be in the glamour and nude forum?




  
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Sep 19, 2014 12:45 |  #71

frugivore wrote in post #17165466 (external link)
Shouldn't this be in the glamour and nude forum?

Well everyone wanted to see the image I was talking about.

If you are that uptight :( :( , why not look at her bloody eyes!
I had a bad day - so lets say as its 'my post' just trying to get some help from technically sound photographers if anyone is offended by this picture, why don't they just move to another thread, and take their pervy bigoted views with them.

Anyway it is actually the other image [the big one] you should be looking at - as this one got ruined in the upload / sort of double compression.


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Sep 19, 2014 13:04 |  #72

CyberDyneSystems wrote in post #17164261 (external link)
Oh indeed. Still a died in the wool glass over sensor man. (To a point)
I'll take a 1D3 from 8 years ago with great glass over a 5D3 with a crap lens any day.

Good glass will always make your shooting better.

sure


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Sep 19, 2014 13:08 |  #73

really hard to tell with photobucket, your image has become mud.

that said, even the muddy photobucket image should be plenty good for large prints. You dont print these photos really large? I'de say even your current gear is overkill for what you do.


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Sep 19, 2014 13:14 |  #74

Charlie wrote in post #17165537 (external link)
really hard to tell with photobucket, your image has become mud.

that said, even the muddy photobucket image should be plenty good for large prints. You dont print these photos really large? I'de say even your current gear is overkill for what you do.

for my use
I think the 6D will make happy with even non L lenses
I don't need big heavy bodies like the 5D3 or the Nikon D8xx


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Sep 19, 2014 13:20 |  #75

To me, it just looks like very conservative settings. All I did was pull your image into CS5, used USM to add contrast, did a round of Smart Sharpen, and then added saturation. All of these items could be done with either a canned picture style, or you could create your own picture style using Canon's editor. f/11 seems to be a bit of an overkill though, doesn't it?

Is this closer to what you wanted to see? These were conservative changes, you could go a bit further.

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