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Sep 20, 2014 20:02 |  #1

It's called print your photos...!!!

Doesn't anyone do that anymore? Once I started printing a ton I noticed that high ISO noise is reduced by half once printed up to 13x19.

Good tip huh.


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Sep 20, 2014 21:02 |  #2

Thanks it's a great tip!


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Sep 20, 2014 21:03 |  #3

300 dpi low res

Now the question is....... does your print look exactly as you intend them to be???? xrite passport? xrite colour monkey? spyder calibration?

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Does your prints look identical? colour? brightness? This is where its nice to have a relationship with your pro lab to get consistent products regardless of size print. Even different size prints can produce different brightness. Cheap labs do not calibrate their wet/dry labs on every paper stock change. This is the difference from printing from costco or an actual pro lab.

Print has been a wonderful crutch for photographers :) it can hide front/back focus for smaller prints. I've had incredible photos using my olympus omd em-5 and could not tell the difference between my 5dmk2 with L glass.


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Sep 20, 2014 21:47 |  #4
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Agreed. My house is just littered with 5x7, and a few 8x10, prints shot at 3200+ on a 60D. Of course, buying a 6D and some fast primes has helped my noise situation, too. Walmart is my printer of choice. If I don't like 'em, they do 'em again, at no extra charge.


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Sep 21, 2014 01:44 |  #5

AlanU wrote in post #17167958 (external link)
300 dpi low res

Now the question is....... does your print look exactly as you intend them to be???? xrite passport? xrite colour monkey? spyder calibration?

IPS panel ... no inferior TN panels allowed LOL!!!

Does your prints look identical? colour? brightness? This is where its nice to have a relationship with your pro lab to get consistent products regardless of size print. Even different size prints can produce different brightness. Cheap labs do not calibrate their wet/dry labs on every paper stock change. This is the difference from printing from costco or an actual pro lab.

Print has been a wonderful crutch for photographers :) it can hide front/back focus for smaller prints. I've had incredible photos using my olympus omd em-5 and could not tell the difference between my 5dmk2 with L glass.

That's the problem, they don't want prints. The couple (friends) just want the digital copy of all the pictures.

I've been reading about the images look better in paper (print) than in a monitor. To be honest I never did before a calibration because it has been a hobby so I didn't have to deal with prints, but now I want to get into weddings, for that reason I want to upgrade my camera, calibrate my monitor, buy couple extra things.

Interesting to know about the small different between FF camera and Olympus mod em-5.


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Sep 21, 2014 01:48 |  #6

GeoKras1989 wrote in post #17168002 (external link)
Agreed. My house is just littered with 5x7, and a few 8x10, prints shot at 3200+ on a 60D. Of course, buying a 6D and some fast primes has helped my noise situation, too. Walmart is my printer of choice. If I don't like 'em, they do 'em again, at no extra charge.

Another good tip! (walmart) for some prints.

I think I will go for 6D, I read a lot of good comments/reviews about that camera.

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Sep 21, 2014 02:19 |  #7

AlanU wrote in post #17167958 (external link)
Cheap labs do not calibrate their wet/dry labs on every paper stock change. This is the difference from printing from costco or an actual pro lab.

While that's true, my local Costco at least do a decent print job. Better than what I have seen from other local walmart or other big name franchise. That said, I do utilize the costco ICC profile I grab from drycreek. Either that or I use sRGB.




  
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Sep 21, 2014 02:24 |  #8

reyces wrote in post #17168292 (external link)
That's the problem, they don't want prints. The couple (friends) just want the digital copy of all the pictures.

Most of the dSLR now shoot 18+ MP. Well, I don't see the reason why they would need bunch of 18MP+ files. You down res them to 8-12MP and they would be all happy or even make decent print size of their own. Mean while, when you down-res the picture, the noise would be all clean up, the image would appear sharp. Why give them large files that they don't utilize and nothing but complain to you. The same reason I profile all my picture to sRGB before I export them to JPG and give them to other people.




  
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Sep 21, 2014 03:17 |  #9

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While that's true, my local Costco at least do a decent print job. Better than what I have seen from other local walmart or other big name franchise. That said, I do utilize the costco ICC profile I grab from drycreek. Either that or I use sRGB.

Not sure what Costco is using now. At one point they were using Noritsu wet labs. Many labs now are using dry labs which DO NOT give the visual depth you'd get with a wet lab.

Costco is probably the better labs to use. My lab uses a wet lab and I get incredible service that surpasses any lab/retail outfit. For very large prints I'll have them printed on a high end Epson printer. The paper I see costco were using was fuji crystal paper a while back....ok stock but no pro grade.

When people find a lab they like they should stick with them.


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Sep 21, 2014 06:00 |  #10

Prints do turn out well. (I noticed this back when the average camera produced 2 and 3 megapixel images). This is especially true for smaller size prints like 5X7.

But why print? With tablets and smart phones, you can carry the equivalent of a hundred photo albums with you and show them to friends and family whenever you want.

And Slides? Why drag out a projector and screen when you want to bore the neighbors with shots of your last vacation. I just show the images on my 50" flat screen TV. Times sure change :)




  
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Sep 21, 2014 06:53 |  #11

I've been getting pretty hooked on silver gelatin prints from the Ilford US lab.



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Sep 21, 2014 07:24 |  #12
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Jim_T wrote in post #17168450 (external link)
Prints do turn out well. (I noticed this back when the average camera produced 2 and 3 megapixel images). This is especially true for smaller size prints like 5X7.

But why print? With tablets and smart phones, you can carry the equivalent of a hundred photo albums with you and show them to friends and family whenever you want.

And Slides? Why drag out a projector and screen when you want to bore the neighbors with shots of your last vacation. I just show the images on my 50" flat screen TV. Times sure change :)

A well done print on the right type of paper with great matting and framing is a work of art that blows away that same image displayed on a small hand held monitor. Add the correct lighting and it's no contest.




  
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Sep 21, 2014 07:39 |  #13

Jim_T wrote in post #17168450 (external link)
And Slides? Why drag out a projector and screen when you want to bore the neighbors with shots of your last vacation. I just show the images on my 50" flat screen TV. Times sure change :)

Medium Format slide projectors are a thing of rare beauty. Very expensive and hard to find, but create breathtaking images on a screen.



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Sep 21, 2014 09:08 |  #14

Jim_T wrote in post #17168450 (external link)
But why print? With tablets and smart phones, you can carry the equivalent of a hundred photo albums with you and show them to friends and family whenever you want.

Because it's very hard to keep consistent sharpness and color with so many systems:D I find my smartphone is the least forgiving about compression and screen resolution. I find I have to compress a lot less and have at least 150ppi for a jpeg to look OK (even though it looks fine on my monitor or retina screen ipad). Then there's no telling what colorspace other devices and monitors use....it's such a mess for us producers;):D


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Sep 21, 2014 09:45 |  #15

AlanU wrote in post #17168351 (external link)
Not sure what Costco is using now. At one point they were using Noritsu wet labs. Many labs now are using dry labs which DO NOT give the visual depth you'd get with a wet lab.

Costco is probably the better labs to use. My lab uses a wet lab and I get incredible service that surpasses any lab/retail outfit. For very large prints I'll have them printed on a high end Epson printer. The paper I see costco were using was fuji crystal paper a while back....ok stock but no pro grade.

When people find a lab they like they should stick with them.

Yes, both Costco location I go to use Noritsu printer for big print. And I don't usually print anything less than 12x18.




  
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