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Lightroom's "Library Module" VS. Ps.... what?

 
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Sep 20, 2014 21:52 |  #1

I recently saw a video on Lynda.com that all of Lightroom's Develop module features/tools essentially exist in current PS CC as Camera Raw. Ok, good.

But I like how Lightroom organizes my images in the Library module - so is there a PS CC equivalent to Lr's Library module?

I don't think so, but throwing it out there...

I liked the advanced sharpening tools in PS so I find myself, for the first time really, pondering the merits of PS vs Lr...

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Sep 20, 2014 22:24 |  #2

Photoshop doesn't have an exact copy of LRs Library but it has Bridge, which is it's asset management tool. Never used Bridge so can't comment on how it compares.


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Sep 20, 2014 23:41 |  #3

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But I like how Lightroom organizes my images in the Library module - so is there a PS CC equivalent to Lr's Library module?



Yes, it is a really cool Adobe product that is designed to work with Photoshop. It is called Lightroom.


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Sep 20, 2014 23:50 |  #4

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Yes, it is a really cool Adobe product that is designed to work with Photoshop. It is called Lightroom.

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Sep 21, 2014 05:31 |  #5

Yes there is, and its called Adobe Bridge. With some notable exceptions, Adobe Bridge functions almost like Lightroom after you adjust the Preferences setting so that Adobe Bridge hosts the Camera Raw plug-in rather than Photoshop (the default setting).

So if you open Adobe Bridge, go to Edit > Preferences > General, and enable the "Double-click edits Camera Raw Settings in Bridge" option you will get most of the functionality preset in Lightroom's Library and Develop modules. Even if you don't intend to use Adobe Bridge regularly its a good idea to run Adobe Camera Raw from Bridge instead of from Photoshop because when ACR is run from Photoshop you can only open a maximum of 200 raw files while when run from Bridge you can open as many raw files as your computer's memory will support. Separating ACR from Photoshop also allows you to work on two or more projects simultaneously; for example you could be batch converting raw files in Bridge while also editing files in Photoshop. If they aren't separated you can only do one task at a time in Photoshop.

The essential difference between Adobe Bridge and Lightroom is that one is a file browser and the other is a database (Lightroom runs SQLite under the hood). What that means in real world terms is that Adobe Bridge can only manage files that are "on line" or immediately accessible from your hard drives, while Lightroom can manage "off line" images on drives not connected to your computer.

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I recently saw a video on Lynda.com that all of Lightroom's Develop module features/tools essentially exist in current PS CC as Camera Raw. Ok, good.

But I like how Lightroom organizes my images in the Library module - so is there a PS CC equivalent to Lr's Library module?

I don't think so, but throwing it out there...

I liked the advanced sharpening tools in PS so I find myself, for the first time really, pondering the merits of PS vs Lr...

Thanks


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Sep 21, 2014 06:45 as a reply to  @ PixelMagic's post |  #6

Thanks PixelMagic !
The question was obviously too complex to be answered by the above gorilla's primative brain processor or his scatterbrained little sidekick :lol:


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Sep 21, 2014 09:27 |  #7

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Thanks PixelMagic !
The question was obviously too complex to be answered by the above gorilla's primative brain processor or his scatterbrained little sidekick :lol:

You asked for an equivalent. While ACR does the same the the develop module does, Bridge isn't the same as the Library module. I ran Bridge/ACR/Ps until Lr 3 came out, which is when I switched from Bridge to Lr. I wouldn't call Bridge and equivalent. A substitute sure. ;)


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Sep 21, 2014 10:57 |  #8

As someone who went from PSCS3 and Bridge, just at the time LR4 Beta was released, I think that there for those that have not used Bridge in a recent version a lot of improvements to the functionality in Bridge, especially to CS6, although there are quite a few improvements in CS5 if you are willing to look for them. Adobe have really been trying to add as much LR Library functionality to Bridge as they can. I actually use both as Bridge is really good as a file browser for the file types that it actually supports, plus you can "see" and open all file types, just like any file browser application.

When it comes to LR like functionality in Br they even seem to have got collections and smart collections to work, although how they manage that with only the live filesystem is pretty good really. I really can't imagine how you would implement a smart collection based on File metadata without using a database to store all of the data. Br still can't do Virtual Copies though, although I would have though that using a suitable naming convention that would be possible using .xmp files.

One has to say though that Bridge is not and never has really been a Photographers asset management system. It was designed as an asset management tool for design creatives who are using the full Adobe creative suite, with a need to manage a variety of file formats across half a dozen different applications.

Adobe does produce a an application that is specifically designed for photographers who want to manage their images, combined with other integrated tools that a photographer would find useful. So along with RAW processing there are modules for producing several other types of final output, such as printing and slide shows, as well as publishing to online services such as Flickr or Facebook. This application also features very close ties with Photoshop, which it uses as it's pixel based image editing option. Saying that though this application is actually not just limited to using PS as it's pixel editing environment, you can use any editing application you like. You could even use MS Paint if you really wanted to.

That Adobe application is of course Lightroom, and despite what others might think Bridge was not and is not designed as a replacement for the LR library module. They are really designed to do different although similar jobs.

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Sep 21, 2014 11:52 |  #9

BigAl007 wrote in post #17168825 (external link)
Br still can't do Virtual Copies though, although I would have though that using a suitable naming convention that would be possible using .xmp files.

While you can't do virtual copies in Bridge and I know they're different, but ACR has Snapshots that can be used for multiple processing. All the info is stored in the original xmp file.


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Sep 22, 2014 00:18 |  #10

Heh! Ya know, for a lot of years, well, Photoshop was the "standard" app for serious photographers, sure, there were other cheaper apps around, but hey, we knew where to turn for the "serious" stuff. Then things got really serious as our cameras got into putting out Raw files and in response Adobe put out the Camera Raw plug-in, at the time I believe the first version of ACR was for PS7...am I correct there? And Canon started putting out CR Raw files with the original 1D? I'm asking because I was still shooting little compacts and P&S cameras, my first digital was in '01, but it was cool to see the whole digital imaging thing unfold. I was actually working in the tech industry, I was working for the Hewlett-Packard deskjet printing company, and it was exciting, revolutionary times! Both because we were coming out with the first "stuff", we could scan prints and re-print them not just in black and white but when I came to work with HP we had actually begun to introduce deskjet printers that would hold both a black cartridge and a multi-color cartridge and, wow...

'Course, that was about 25 years ago, but still....Also, we didn't have the Web back then but we in the tech industry did have the internet and had pretty active discussion groups via I think it was called NewsNet, what we now call "forums", and one of the discussion groups I was active with was a photography group, and it was fun over the years (we are talking about the '90s now) to see "serious" photographers grappling with the phenomenon of this new "digital photography" thing....!!!

OK, I'm gonna stop rambling for now...but the story does go on to the introduction of Lightroom, but I do admit I enjoy telling stories...!:)


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