New 7D M II vs Used 1D M IV

Oh how Canon's new officially announced 7D M II causes me turmoil!

http://www.usa.canon.c​om …lr_cameras/eos_​7d_mark_ii

I have been scrounging on eBay and Craigslist looking for a good buy on a 1D IV, and the going price for them is on average come in between $2,500 to $3,000. Now the 7D is coming in at $1,800....

Oh how my decision just got harder....

Anyone out there have an opinion?

UTgws wrote in post #17155190
Oh how Canon's new officially announced 7D M II causes me turmoil!

http://www.usa.canon.c​om …lr_cameras/eos_​7d_mark_ii

I have been scrounging on eBay and Craigslist looking for a good buy on a 1D IV, and the going price for them is on average come in between $2,500 to $3,000. Now the 7D is coming in at $1,800....

Oh how my decision just got harder....

Anyone out there have an opinion?

Until the camera has been widely used at actual sporting events by real photographers, there will be no way to truly judge it, although countless people will try.

It would be no surprise if the early adopters are confounded by the new cameras and then rush to condemn them online.

In the meantime, bargain hunters will be able to find used 7D's at a low price that have been abandoned by those who need new toys.

I would expect the 1d3/1d4 used market would take a hit. Not exactly a 1d replacement, but on paper comparison with my 1d3, now have same fps, better iso/-3 ev sensitivity, and presumably at least a different sports type af/and possibly better. The prices have been somewhat stagnant since the correction from 5d3/1dx and in a year when the mkii is available as a refurb on sale for under 1500, its going to be that much harder to justify even the currnt price, unless the 7d turns out to be a flop, whcih I am doubting Canon will let happen.

lilkngster wrote in post #17155292
I would expect the 1d3/1d4 used market would take a hit.

This is what I think is going to happen as well. If you can afford to wait, I would give it a while. It could save you a few hundred bucks in the long run.

Personally, I am waiting to see high ISO image quality. If it can equal the 1d4 iso output quality, then at this price point it will be a great seller again for Canon. My $.02.

I think it will be worth waiting for. Used prices should be adjusting down as we get closer to the release date if not already.

I am watching eBay to see if prices start dropping on 1D IV's but so far it is tough to tell. As far as sports shooting goes the fps, buffer, etc. seem pretty comparable between the 1D IV and the 7D II, The resolution on the 7D II is much higher but I guess we are still at an unknown as to how it will handle high ISO noise.

It still is very tempting to jump on the preorder list, I know it already is a pretty good jump up from my 7D, that it makes it very tempting. And it would be new and not possibly "used up". I'm not real concerned with used and number of clicks, I mean my truck had a 7 year/70,000 mile warrenty, we passed that a looooong time ago and it is still going strong.

Well more to "sleep on"

For the hobby shooter, local newspaper, etc the newer 7D is a sure winner. The movie focusing is worth the price of admission for the casual shooter.

After taking a look at the high ISO shots Matt Granger put up, I think it'll do very nicely for sports.

I've been thinking about getting one of the 1D bodies (IV or X) but I also want a 400mm lens so I'm going to save up for the lens over the body.

John wrote in post #17161161
After taking a look at the high ISO shots Matt Granger put up, I think it'll do very nicely for sports.

I've been thinking about getting one of the 1D bodies (IV or X) but I also want a 400mm lens so I'm going to save up for the lens over the body.

As a new arrival to sports, I had my first outing at the weekend there. Totally hooked. I was always hampering over a 1DIV after owning a 1D3 for a while. I still think that the 1DIV would be a sensible choice. Also after having a play with a 400 2.8 I don't think I'll be eating out for a while lol

Having a 7D and a 1DIV I'm not really interested in the 7DII, can;t see it being a worth while upgrade for me from my 7D and I'd take the 1DIV over a 7D any day.

Yes I am still torn between the 7DmII, (it does look enticing by the specs but is still a 1.6 crop, with my 300mm that is good and it does have many improvements over the current 7D for a sports shooter), and the 1DmIV.

I am going to have to do some more research on how the 70D image and high ISO noise is (even if the refinements made on the sensor improve the 7DmII the 70D should give a ball park where it will perform) compared to the 1DmIV.

I will be keeping my current 7D as a 2nd/backup body and I am going to get another body, just have to evaluate the pro/con for 7DmII or 1DmIV.

Gary, the 1D Mark IV is a crop too...

But only 1.3 crop. Makes the 400 2.8 a 520 2.8 view.

Gary, my old 1D4 is for sale here in Texas if you are interested. I still like the pro bodies for shooting sports. Hit me up if you are interested.

Yes the 1DmIV is a crop, but it has been long recognized as a very good sports shooting body with very good high ISO lower light noise performance. While it will not pair quite as nice with my 300mm 2.8 it would be better than a FF and right now a better performing body (and having a 2nd body) is a bigger priority.

And TC, I would like to hear the details on your 1DmIV.