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Sep 21, 2014 14:40 |  #31

How about this at 25600 ISO Reyces. No flash in a small concert venue. It was much darker than the way this photo looks. If you are looking for low light performance to focus as well as be able to get clean shots, the 6D will not let you down. Don't let people tell you that the outer focus points are bad, they work with the right amount of light, but the center focus point is almost perfect even in limited light.

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Sep 21, 2014 18:11 |  #32

xinvisionx wrote in post #17168268 (external link)
6D. Given the amount of time between the 5D MKII and the 6D...taking into consideration time in tech years...you definitely want to get the 6D. Throw money at something that will last instead of something already severely depreciated.

Thanks, I will definitely, like you said I have to consider tech innovations and the only way will be getting the 6d.

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Sep 21, 2014 18:12 |  #33

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6D, hand held at ISO 12800. You just would not believe how dark it was in that church. The camera performed better than my eyes.

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Thank you a lot for that example, looks amazing!


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Sep 21, 2014 18:15 |  #34

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Another 6D vote. At this point, unless I was getting the 5Dii from someone I completely trusted or Canon themselves (and even then I'd want it to be a really good deal), I'd go with the model still in production. As mentioned, you can get them refurbished from Canon for a really good deal, and occasionally you can find them on sale. Last year I waited around until I saw a sale pop up and grabbed mine (new) for $1500 (what Canon currently sells the refurbs for). If you go the loyalty route, you can get an even lower price.

Thank you and I think the best option right now will be the 6d. Has a good and accessible price, has a better ISO performance and is full frame.


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Sep 21, 2014 18:20 |  #35

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I started off with the T3i when it was first released, then got a 60D about a year later because I was looking to decouple the shutter speed and aperture controls and I moved onto back button focus.

Then about 6 months ago there was a great deal on a 6D with 24-105mm at best buy for less than $2k so I sold everything off and got it. The low light/low noise capability is amazing. It will also grab auto focus in these low light situations (I only use the center focus anyway). The other thing I didn't expect on the 6D was that you can load lens profiles for Lens Aberration and Vignetting. Makes a huge difference when I am shooting indoor and outdoor sports with JPG's (Volleyball and Baseball) from a distance. Maybe the other models do this but I first discovered it on the 6D. Also the wifi remote shooting for landscape is a big plus. Framing and exposure is easy to nail as well using the wifi remote app on my ipad.

Oh, and the depth of field is much shallower than the Crop, so very good for portraits.

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Thank you and that is what I want, a good or amazing (if is possible) ISO performance because is too much stress to cover a wedding and get a lot of noisy pictures.

Interesting I didn't know about profiles for lenses, I like that!

I heard before about the depth of field and now I can confirm that with your comment.

Thanks :D


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Sep 21, 2014 18:23 |  #36

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Here are a few examples, none of these shots would have been possible with the crop frame or without a flash:

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WOW! These pictures look amazing, I can't believe how nice they look at 6400 or 12,800 is just amazing. Trust me with my Canon 7d I can get that quality only at 100 or 200.

Thanks for these examples.


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Sep 21, 2014 18:28 |  #37

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How about this at 25600 ISO Reyces. No flash in a small concert venue. It was much darker than the way this photo looks. If you are looking for low light performance to focus as well as be able to get clean shots, the 6D will not let you down. Don't let people tell you that the outer focus points are bad, they work with the right amount of light, but the center focus point is almost perfect even in limited light.
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25,600 hahaha no way! WOW looks amazing that picture. Thanks for posting this example.

Definitely 6d will be!

Thanks to all of you, I really appreciate your tips, comments and examples.


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Sep 24, 2014 01:38 |  #38

reyces wrote in post #17169654 (external link)
...with my Canon 7d I can get that quality only at 100 or 200....

you should be able to shoot at much higher ISO than that and still pull great images..

what are you doing PP, shooting in RAW?

...yes the 6d is amazing, but the 7d is still quite capable (yet nowhere near the 6d in low light..)


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Sep 24, 2014 02:23 |  #39

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you should be able to shoot at much higher ISO than that and still pull great images..

what are you doing PP, shooting in RAW?

...yes the 6d is amazing, but the 7d is still quite capable (yet nowhere near the 6d in low light..)

Hi James,

I'm using Lightroom 5 to fix the noise on the pictures and yes, I always shoot in RAW.

I've been reading that some people got a "bad" 7D, because they have the same issue, when they reach ISO 400 or above they start to get a lot of noise on their pictures. I saw a lot of examples of pictures with ISO 400 or higher and those pics look really bad like my pictures.

I have another wedding to cover in Nov and I don't want to have this stress :rolleyes:

I know, the 6d looks amazing.

Thanks!


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Sep 24, 2014 05:54 |  #40

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Hi James,

I'm using Lightroom 5 to fix the noise on the pictures and yes, I always shoot in RAW.

I've been reading that some people got a "bad" 7D, because they have the same issue, when they reach ISO 400 or above they start to get a lot of noise on their pictures. I saw a lot of examples of pictures with ISO 400 or higher and those pics look really bad like my pictures.

I have another wedding to cover in Nov and I don't want to have this stress :rolleyes:

I know, the 6d looks amazing.

Thanks!

my 6d just arrived yesterday. very impressed with the high iso shots(as expected) :)


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Sep 24, 2014 06:07 |  #41

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Reyces,

Please consider a new 6d. It will not be like a 7d for focus but it will have incredible high iso performance.

For indoor shooting this will be a great camera for your workflow.

A new shutter in a 5dmk2 doesn't appeal to me. I'm not concerned with battery grip so the $1250 combo deal isn't appealing to me whatsoever. Spend a bit more and get a new camera :)

+1 on that.
Please get the 6d, its on sale everywhere, and you will be the first to use it, its always great to open and discover a product.
Usuallyi get my gear from B&h, and while unpacking, i get a beer and celebrate my new camera.
Dont get a use one, there is a few advantages with the 6d.




  
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Sep 24, 2014 06:14 |  #42

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+1 on that.
Please get the 6d, its on sale everywhere, and you will be the first to use it, its always great to open and discover a product.
Usuallyi get my gear from B&h, and while unpacking, i get a beer and celebrate my new camera.
Dont get a use one, there is a few advantages with the 6d.

used ones also mean no beer :cool:


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Sep 24, 2014 06:26 |  #43

reyces wrote in post #17174512 (external link)
Hi James,

I'm using Lightroom 5 to fix the noise on the pictures and yes, I always shoot in RAW.

I've been reading that some people got a "bad" 7D, because they have the same issue, when they reach ISO 400 or above they start to get a lot of noise on their pictures. I saw a lot of examples of pictures with ISO 400 or higher and those pics look really bad like my pictures.

I have another wedding to cover in Nov and I don't want to have this stress :rolleyes:

I know, the 6d looks amazing.

Thanks!

The 6D will give you about 2 stops in improvement, so take whatever the highest ISO you shoot at now which you are comfortable with, and add 2 stop, the 6D images will look very similar.


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Sep 26, 2014 08:39 |  #44

I bought 6D as my first FF and love it.


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Sep 26, 2014 08:48 |  #45

I've read it a bunch of times in this thread and I just want to make sure...

sensors can be replaced nowadays? I thought t was the shutter assembly that they replace.


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