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Sep 28, 2014 12:24 |  #31

My post stands as is! Submariner has clearly NOT read and understood the current regulations, nor has he read and understood the new proposed ones. The ranting is based on 2nd and 3rd hand info and baseless conjecture.


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Sep 28, 2014 19:27 |  #32

sandpiper wrote in post #17182083 (external link)
And how is this stopping that?

They aren't saying you can't do it, just that if it is commercial in nature you pay a small token fee.

Thin edge of the wedge!
Seen it here with handfuns, first they say lets have registrations. Just registration! Promise!
Then they ban them. Result illegal handgun crime goes up! Skyrockets! Nice one! The compensation was too low; so a ton of weapons left the ownership of sportsmen and ended up in the hands of the criminals - whom guess what ? - never even bothered to do the registration part! Lol

Just a load of hassle for Law Abiding citizens, and the end result is a nightmare.

So you are taking photos, next they are asking you to prove its not commercial, especislly if you have nice cameras and lenses, and a lot of lighting gear and battery packs as I do.

How do I prove that its not commercial, what next, I argue and they arrest me? or confiscate my gear?, till I call my Lawyer!

And if its only really for "big commercial" stuff how much will they raise? Probably peanuts!
Betcha it costs a lot more to operate and police than it raises, and just generates a protential conflict for numerous people.

Anyway its your country, so feel free to do what you like. Er werent you the guys who threw us Brits out, because you didnt like being told what to do?

Some people like being controlled - personally I dont! Just a personal thing.
If I could see an intelligent argument for control, I would go with it.

Where next - all the main tourist attractions in London!
Hell that would raise a dam site more, or would it just put off all the cash paying Tourists?
Who would p*ss off to Paris next year!

I also see a massive distinction between private assets and National heritages ( those I feel belong to the Nation ) er thats us!
If I go to a private stately home, and they want to charge for me to take photos thats fine , they or their ancestors bought the place, and now to make ends meet, they are running a business - and good luck to them, and thanks for upkeeping something beautiful.

We pay a load in Taxes so use some of that if its required, far better than over inflated MPs fraudulent expenses eh.


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Sep 28, 2014 21:13 |  #33

Submariner wrote in post #17182768 (external link)
...So you are taking photos, next they are asking you to prove its not commercial, especislly if you have nice cameras and lenses, and a lot of lighting gear and battery packs as I do.

How do I prove that its not commercial, what next, I argue and they arrest me? or confiscate my gear?, till I call my Lawyer!....

Lots of lighting and battery packs is probably over the top for a wilderness area, but cameras and lenses can easily bee seen as professional.

I was shooting at the Dallas farmers market just for fun. Nothing more than my 5DII and my camera bag, no lights, no tripods, just shooting for fun. I get taken aside by the local rent-a-cops because professional photography needs a permit. I tell them that I am not shooting professionally but just for fun just like all the other people with cell phone cameras and P/S cameras. They didn't buy it because the equipment looked professional in their eye. I was escorted out.


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Sep 28, 2014 21:21 |  #34

Is it just me, or does this topic seem to come up every few years?


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Sep 29, 2014 09:10 |  #35

Anyone that thinks we American citizens need more laws is insane. Like the U.S. Government isn't already corrupt and out of control enough. Land of the Free.... don't make me laugh.


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Sep 30, 2014 08:10 |  #36

gjl711 wrote in post #17182903 (external link)
Lots of lighting and battery packs is probably over the top for a wilderness area, but cameras and lenses can easily bee seen as professional.

I was shooting at the Dallas farmers market just for fun. Nothing more than my 5DII and my camera bag, no lights, no tripods, just shooting for fun. I get taken aside by the local rent-a-cops because professional photography needs a permit. I tell them that I am not shooting professionally but just for fun just like all the other people with cell phone cameras and P/S cameras. They didn't buy it because the equipment looked professional in their eye. I was escorted out.

Perfect example of what I mean.😝


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Oct 31, 2014 01:10 |  #37

Laws always start as good ideas and year after year it will get expanded and eventually it will be over reaching.




  
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Oct 31, 2014 05:31 |  #38

gjl711 wrote in post #17182903 (external link)
Lots of lighting and battery packs is probably over the top for a wilderness area, but cameras and lenses can easily bee seen as professional.

I was shooting at the Dallas farmers market just for fun. Nothing more than my 5DII and my camera bag, no lights, no tripods, just shooting for fun. I get taken aside by the local rent-a-cops because professional photography needs a permit. I tell them that I am not shooting professionally but just for fun just like all the other people with cell phone cameras and P/S cameras. They didn't buy it because the equipment looked professional in their eye. I was escorted out.

Possibility of 2 problems.


  1. Your talking about Dallas P.D. I've had an inside look, from a LEO's perspective, and was let's saw a little shocked.
  2. What's your trade, regular job title? Are you a professional photographer and earn your living as a professional photographer? Or just a hobbyist and earn your living by some other means? If somehow you're recognized by LEO as a "pro" that's what they could be basing this on, not just the gear.

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Oct 31, 2014 05:42 |  #39

MuahMan wrote in post #17183685 (external link)
Anyone that thinks we American citizens need more laws is insane. Like the U.S. Government isn't already corrupt and out of control enough. Land of the Free.... don't make me laugh.

Couldn't agree more. Government thinks that we are too stupid to think for ourselves, to be able to make the simplest decisions. Laws, actually it has become more so of regulations, so they can bypass congress, give them the fast track to redistribute wealth, ie; take our money (property).

Rstanford wrote in post #17243174 (external link)
Laws always start as good ideas and year after year it will get expanded and eventually it will be over reaching.

Can't say I agree that laws start as good ideas, not now. Laws are just a way of those in power trying to gain more, and assert more control over us.

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Don't even trust reporters to get the facts right. When I read newspaper or magazine articles about something I have first-hand knowledge of, I find blatant errors. Writers even make up direct quotes that the interviewee never said.

Reporters stopped being impartial years ago. They have a very one-sided agenda, they think they need to mold public opinion to side with their agenda. It matters not if they blatantly lie. Every hear of "The end justifies the means"?


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Nov 06, 2014 07:55 |  #40

gjl711 wrote in post #17182903 (external link)
Lots of lighting and battery packs is probably over the top for a wilderness area, but cameras and lenses can easily bee seen as professional.

I was shooting at the Dallas farmers market just for fun. Nothing more than my 5DII and my camera bag, no lights, no tripods, just shooting for fun. I get taken aside by the local rent-a-cops because professional photography needs a permit. I tell them that I am not shooting professionally but just for fun just like all the other people with cell phone cameras and P/S cameras. They didn't buy it because the equipment looked professional in their eye. I was escorted out.

That happened to me at a kids concert in Chicago. All the parents had their cameras out shooting but they wanted me to check-in my 7D with 24-105 at the front. I told them not without a $2000 deposit. :lol: We agreed that I would just put my camera away and watch all the other parents take pictures of their kids with their rebels. I couldn't believe I was singled out for the camera body and lens combo I was using.




  
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Nov 06, 2014 15:44 |  #41

frozenframe wrote in post #17243301 (external link)
Couldn't agree more. Government thinks that we are too stupid to think for ourselves, to be able to make the simplest decisions.

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Nov 06, 2014 17:15 |  #42

Is a permit needed for photography on US Forest Service controlled land?

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U.S. Forest Service wants to charge $1,500 to take photos on federal wild lands


http://www.washingtonp​ost.com …os-on-federal-wild-lands/ (external link)

The PhotoAttorney has posted http://www.photoattorn​ey.com …tograph-wilderness-areas/ (external link)




  
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Nov 21, 2014 09:00 |  #43

She has also posted "Forest Service Chief Issues Directive on Photography Permits (external link)".




  
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Nov 21, 2014 14:01 as a reply to  @ 1000arms's post |  #44

People are still concerned about this? :lol:

This has been one of the biggest non-stories I have ever seen blow up in this regard.

The original regulations were put in place in thanks to big movie productions just going onto public lands and raping them clean for all their needs, and then leaving the mess for us to pay for.

Now they have to pay to have access.

The "man" isn't looking for any opportunity to stick to the people for taking photos in parks. They have an obligation to keep the parks healthy, that is all.


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Nov 22, 2014 22:44 |  #45

^reminds me of the greedy mushroom pickers in Washington State many years ago; parts of the parks were closed off due to people picking high prized mushrooms (for consumption, not for other things lol) but leaving trash and destroying the land. Some people just don't get it. No respect whatsoever.




  
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