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Sep 26, 2014 15:32 |  #76

reyces wrote in post #17178963 (external link)
I got this kind of noise with ISO 800.

I know haha... the 5dmk3 is amazing but the problem is too expensive :oops: maybe in my next life haha...

Thanks.

I was stuck between going for the 6D or 5D mark ii or 5D mark iii or 1div. I eliminated the 1div, because it wasn't a true full frame. 5d mark ii, is a good camera, but iso ranged, it lacks, unless you are willing toI use to be on the 550d (t3i), then I sold it, because crop sensor limited my dof. The 6D is a great camera, but it lacks the dual card slot and weather sealing. The 5d mark iii would be my choice to pick, if the price is right. I know that it is pricey, it's worth it for the peace of mind.




  
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Sep 26, 2014 15:59 |  #77

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I was stuck between going for the 6D or 5D mark ii or 5D mark iii or 1div. I eliminated the 1div, because it wasn't a true full frame. 5d mark ii, is a good camera, but iso ranged, it lacks, unless you are willing toI use to be on the 550d (t3i), then I sold it, because crop sensor limited my dof. The 6D is a great camera, but it lacks the dual card slot and weather sealing. The 5d mark iii would be my choice to pick, if the price is right. I know that it is pricey, it's worth it for the peace of mind.

Thanks, I think in my case I will be able to get the 6d for the moment and keep working hard to get more happy clients and once I get the chance I will go for 5dmk3 because I think that one is the best in the market.

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Sep 26, 2014 16:27 |  #78

i think your 7D did good job - are you going to print it huge full resolution?

also my quick attempt :

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Sep 26, 2014 18:43 |  #79

save yourself some time and trouble, get the 6D. Not only can you get less noisy shots, they'll be sharper too.


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Sep 28, 2014 00:09 |  #80

palad1n wrote in post #17179416 (external link)
i think your 7D did good job - are you going to print it huge full resolution?

also my quick attempt :

http://blog.lukaskrasa​.com/other/IMG_3094.jp​g (external link)

http://blog.lukaskrasa​.com/other/IMG_3094_3k​.jpg (external link) - resized to 3k + little senstitive sharpening. (still large enough for printing)

Really? Actually no, they don't want print, only digital copy (files) for that reason I'm worry because when I check the pictures in my monitor (desktop) is really easy to see the noise on them.

Thank you for your attempt, I will check them tomorrow when I get home. Thanks a lot!

When you say large enough for printing, what size you recommend?


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Sep 28, 2014 00:10 |  #81

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save yourself some time and trouble, get the 6D. Not only can you get less noisy shots, they'll be sharper too.

Awesome! Thank you for the advice!


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Sep 29, 2014 20:25 |  #82

Reyces, Make sure you read what Teamspeed posted as it will translate to most body, he is one of the forms experts on noise and things.


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Sep 30, 2014 00:13 |  #83

palad1n wrote in post #17179416 (external link)
i think your 7D did good job - are you going to print it huge full resolution?

also my quick attempt :

http://blog.lukaskrasa​.com/other/IMG_3094.jp​g (external link)

http://blog.lukaskrasa​.com/other/IMG_3094_3k​.jpg (external link) - resized to 3k + little senstitive sharpening. (still large enough for printing)

They look really great! Can I know how you do the post processing.

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Sep 30, 2014 03:55 |  #84

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Okay, what you are seeing is all ACR/PS related.

My notes are as such, based on looking at your shooting parameters in DPP, and everything I am calling out is through DPP.
- You have ALO turned on, you want that off, it just adds noise.
- You have no sharpening turned on.
- Your focus is off, the items in the background are much more in focus than the foreground, so you need to sharpen much more than you should, which sharpens your noise.
- You shot this with the 10-18 at 14mm, does that lens really resolve detail that you would need for a shot like this? I don't know much about that lens. The 7D will eat up lenses and spit them out. I found that out the hard way. Put a great quality lens on the 7D, and it will resolve detail wonderfully, like the 17-55 IS. Also, at 14mm with such a lens, you probably have noticed that the 2 ladies at each end of the frame are distorted wide, and there are ways to pull them back in, but that will take some work as well.

In DPP, all I changed was:
- Turned off ALO
- Took your 2 NR sliders, added 1 to the Lum slider, and subtracted 1 from the chroma slider
- Put your sharpening to 2
- Tweak the WB

I will now work on the JPG later this evening, but this is the best you are going to get, simply because your lens focused beyond your subjects, they seem to just fall barely within your DOF for where your AF point is, thus why they have no real detail. Your cleaned up version is actually pretty good, and might be hard to beat. However the noise you see in the file before you edit is from the raw conversion itself, not from the sensor.

Oh my!! I didn't see all this info.. wow!! Thanks a lot!

I will change those parameters like ALO because I didn't know that it adds noise, also I will check about sharpening.

I just checked the focus and I it is on the chest of one of the grooms (check the image)


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Sep 30, 2014 05:00 |  #85

The focus may have been on the people as set by you, but that is not what you ultimately ended up with. To me it looks like the lens back focused.


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Sep 30, 2014 13:24 |  #86

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The focus may have been on the people as set by you, but that is not what you ultimately ended up with. To me it looks like the lens back focused.


Oh ok, I think I will have to do a micro adjustment to that lens.

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Oct 02, 2014 03:17 |  #87

I'm late to the discussion, but both of those images you just posted look out of focus to me. Are they both with the same lens? Looks like that is main problem and maybe the noise issue is really because you are over sharpening to try and overcome the focus issue.


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Oct 02, 2014 11:47 |  #88

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I'm late to the discussion, but both of those images you just posted look out of focus to me. Are they both with the same lens? Looks like that is main problem and maybe the noise issue is really because you are over sharpening to try and overcome the focus issue.

To be honest, I didn't sharpening the images, the only think that I'm interested to fix was the noise.

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Oct 02, 2014 13:12 |  #89

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To be honest, I didn't sharpening the images, the only think that I'm interested to fix was the noise.

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You had to have sharpened the images, because the raw was very out of focus. Whether you did it manually, or the software you used to move raw to JPG did it automatically, yours was sharpened. I posted the unadulterated raw result in my reply #74. The first image is with no raw sharpening at all. I do that to see how OOF a shot may be. The buildings in the back are more in focus.


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Oct 02, 2014 13:52 |  #90

TeamSpeed wrote in post #17190180 (external link)
You had to have sharpened the images, because the raw was very out of focus. Whether you did it manually, or the software you used to move raw to JPG did it automatically, yours was sharpened. I posted the unadulterated raw result in my reply #74. The first image is with no raw sharpening at all. I do that to see how OOF a shot may be. The buildings in the back are more in focus.

I saw your examples and yes, they looked very different. Honestly I didn't touch nothing to sharpen the images, but I just checked LR settings and I found this (default):
Amount: 25
Radius: 1.0
Detail: 25
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Also, yesterday I was doing some tests opening some pictures using DPP and PS/LR and they look different. The DPP version looks better (less noise) than PS/LR.

(Default settings) I didn't change nothing on DPP or PS

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