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Is it true the 24-105 loses a stop of light on long end?

 
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Sep 30, 2014 18:37 |  #1
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Just read some other people saying it loses a t stop at the long end.. Anyone have experience with this? If so will the exposure meter realize this and compensate?




  
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Sep 30, 2014 19:45 |  #2

i don't see why it would...


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Sep 30, 2014 19:48 |  #3
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DreDaze wrote in post #17186909 (external link)
i don't see why it would...

transmission issues with many lenses apparently.




  
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Sep 30, 2014 19:50 |  #4

No. This is easy enough to debunk.




  
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Sep 30, 2014 20:43 |  #5

No. I actually checked a number of Canon lenses for differences in transmission, and the best of all that I owned was the 85L II which was less than 1/6th of a stop and the worst was the 70-200/2.8 IS which was close to 1/3 stop. The 24-105L is in the same 1/3 stop range.

If you want to talk about light loss, the 24-105L does actually have very heavy vignette at the wide end. So at least a part of the frame is not so bright as you would expect I guess.


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Sep 30, 2014 20:44 |  #6

If you believe the DxOMark website, http://www.dxomark.com …-4L-IS-USM---Measurements (external link), the lens actually gets slightly faster at the long end. The lens is, however, closer to f/5 than f/4.

After opening this link, click on the "Transmission" link to see the results.


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Sep 30, 2014 21:11 as a reply to  @ RodneyCyr's post |  #7

An odd question perhaps, but I wonder if I have an inkling where this is coming from.

Any chance you are zooming while shooting video or in LV and somehow keeping the aperture 'locked'?

If you do this you can also 'gain' a stop by zooming out.

I'm not sure I can explain this phenomenon, so please don't ask any more. If you have the lens, try zooming while shooting video staring with the exposure you want at the wide or tele end and you should see what I mean.


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Oct 01, 2014 02:07 |  #8

Larger FOV captures more light in general. Smaller FOV captures a tiny scene with less light. It's not the lens. It's the light upon the scene.


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Oct 01, 2014 13:46 |  #9

I first noticed this when shooting video. It does get darker when you zoom from 24 to 105 but I can't say exactly how much. I would estimate 1/2 to 2/3 EV.

I don't notice it if I shoot wide open at f/4 but it is very noticeable at f/8

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Oct 01, 2014 14:24 |  #10

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I first noticed this when shooting video. It does get darker when you zoom from 24 to 105 but I can't say exactly how much. I would estimate 1/2 to 2/3 EV.

I don't notice it if I shoot wide open at f/4 but it is very noticeable at f/8

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again every lens will do that. You are capturing less light from the scene. an area the size of a stamp only reflects so much light.... an area the size of a paper reflects more light even though the ambient light has not changed.

same way a FF sensor is better at low light, it has larger pixel size that can capture more light then an equal crop sensor with smaller pixels.


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Oct 01, 2014 14:27 |  #11

I am not convinced.....

Why doesn't it do it at f/4? And why doesn't my 70-200 2.8 II do it?

(I only notice this during Video and not with Stills)


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Oct 01, 2014 15:10 |  #12

Here is another Video shooter who notices the same thing: http://briancweed.com …e-canon-24-105-f4-is-lens (external link)

Transmittance - now here's where things get really weird. The transmission of the zoom is just a hair more than 2/3 of a stop darker than it's advertised aperture through these three focal lengths when aperture is wide open at F4. Oddly enough, at F4, there is ZERO transmission loss through the entire zoom range. If you stop down, though - even to just F4.5 - you'll begin to lose almost half a stop from widest to telephoto. By the time you stop down to F5.6, you'll be losing almost a whole stop by zooming from 24mm to 105mm! It's the weirdest thing, and I can't figure out what's going on to make that happen. By all means, go test this for yourself with a white card - set your in-cam waveform for spot and watch what happens to that area. I nearly fell off my chair when I saw it happening.


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Oct 01, 2014 15:23 |  #13

Talley wrote in post #17188352 (external link)
again every lens will do that. You are capturing less light from the scene. an area the size of a stamp only reflects so much light.... an area the size of a paper reflects more light even though the ambient light has not changed.


This is why f shop is a function of focal length -- ie the apeture is 6mm wide @ f4 @ 24mm and 26.25mm wide @ f4 @ 105mm -- as you rightly say, you've chucked away much of the scene, but then the apeture is physically bigger to make up for that.

That's why we use f stops not apeture diameters - f4 is the same amount of light through the lens, regardless of focal length.

I've not watched the videos but i'd guess what's more likely happening is that the cameras meter is guessing a different exposure for the zoomed in scene, which is understandable -- cameras meters are not perfect. Try doing the same thing with the camera on manual.



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Oct 01, 2014 15:27 |  #14

I'm sure you can meter a white wall or something. All I know is Aperture is only the technical opening. Transmission can differ based on glass elements and coatings. My 50 1.2 L didnt transmit 1.2 in light, maybe 1.4 in light levels.

with a zoom, there has to be some corrections done to maintain the same light levels, and it wouldnt be surprising if levels dropped due to the corrections.


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Oct 01, 2014 16:05 |  #15

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This is why f shop is a function of focal length -- if the apeture is 6mm wide @ f4 @ 24mm and 26.25mm wide @ f4 @ 105mm -- as you rightly say, you've chucked away much of the scene, but then the apeture is physically bigger to make up for that.

That's why we use f stops not apeture diameters - f4 is the same amount of light, regardless of focal length.

I've not watched the videos but i'd guess what's more likely happening is that the cameras meter is guessing a different exposure for the zoomed in scene, which is understandable -- cameras meters are not perfect. Try doing the same thing with the camera on manual.

Right metering.

I forgot the metering plays a big part in it. I just checked my 24-105 and had manual settings in place during video and did not notice any light changing.

My 70-200 F4 IS however did... I believe it was the vignetting though. It darkened up from 70 to 200 again with manual controls dialed in.


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