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Oct 01, 2014 09:28 |  #46

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All this is fine and dandy but doesn't affect those of us shooting in good light. Being on the 10 FPS and ridiculously sophisticated AF system. Yes please.

it's not like the 7Dc was terribly slow, and the AF system was terrible either......... If you cant capture it with the old 7D, you havent got a chance with the 7D2. You're buying this new one for the video features and 1/2 stop iso improvement.


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Oct 01, 2014 09:32 |  #47

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The core NR engine I use in my actions is Noiseware. There is nothing super special about the actions, you just run them, no masking of the image, nothing. I usually supply 3 different levels, light, medium, and aggressive. The trick really is processing the noise on each channel differently, each color needs special attention with various photoshop actions and Noiseware, then I run noiseware on the RGB total image at the end, then sharpen up the image a bit. I also make no profit on these, I make a contribution to POTN (which reminds me...) based on the funds received for the noise actions. :)

One would think running all these noise reduction actions would just obliterate the detail, but I have found that if you have the right recipe, you can retain most detail. Any detail that is defined by subtle tonality changes is damaged however, as seen here (look at the gentleman in the label).

My 12800 7D2 sample from above... trial action, but a bit too premature yet.

Does one need Photoshop for this method? I have LR and Elements, not the full blown Photoshop package.

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Oct 01, 2014 09:34 |  #48

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it's not like the 7Dc was terribly slow, and the AF system was terrible either......... If you cant capture it with the old 7D, you havent got a chance with the 7D2. You're buying this new one for the video features and 1/2 stop iso improvement.

In due time we will see the video comparisons. 70d is still a strong player in Video dslr world for 1080 res. However in good light the gh4 is still a cleaner performer compared to 5dmk3 full frame and 70d.


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Oct 01, 2014 09:37 |  #49

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Does one need Photoshop for this method? I have LR and Elements, not the full blown Photoshop package.

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I assume so? I developed the ATN file in Photoshop, I am not sure what all else from Adobe can use ATN files.


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Oct 01, 2014 09:37 |  #50

Thanks for the info, TeamSpeed! I look forward to seeing your new actions if you get access to a 7D2. I really like the added features with this new body; in a year or so when the street price drops, I will think about upgrading my 7D.


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Oct 01, 2014 09:40 |  #51

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With lightroom I still found the 7d at high iso to produce plastic human faces with destroyed skin texture even with LR's excellent noise reduction. I'm really curious how 7dmk2 will perform. Human subjects for high ISO is something I'd like to see more often to be a benchmark test for image quality. photos of bottles and yarn is also helpful but I still think "photogs" are critical about skin detail on human subjects.

I would still like to play with a 7dmk2 though....

I agree, a studio setup for a comparison image across bodies is okay, but even that has changed from year to year. I can point out all kinds of changes in their studio setup, including lighting and exposure differences.

Like I said, my action that I worked on last night (2 different ones actually) is a good starting point for me, and the final action set I create will likely sit right between my first 2 attempts. I strive to reduce 1 stop of noise while leaving a tiny bit of noise and most of the detail around with my actions before I am happy with the outcome. Each new release adds some new insight to my techniques. :)

Unfortunately I won't be an early adopter of the 7D2, so there will have to be others that rise to the occasion for post processing, and I will come in a little later, if the good Lord still has me around to do so.


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Oct 01, 2014 09:56 |  #52

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I assume so? I developed the ATN file in Photoshop, I am not sure what all else from Adobe can use ATN files.

OK, thanks. I checked and Elements can use ATN files but LR can't.




  
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Oct 01, 2014 10:03 |  #53

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Oct 01, 2014 10:47 |  #54

Adobe's action files have ATN as their file suffix. But sure... :)


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Oct 01, 2014 15:04 as a reply to  @ TeamSpeed's post |  #55

Great work TS
For all that trash the canon crop sensor i wonder if you can use the image resource nikon 7100 file and compare it to the 7d2
Based on what i can see the 7d2 is about half stop better or at least as good


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Oct 01, 2014 15:32 |  #56

well thats upsetting with all the hands on videos saying how impressive it is for a APS-C camera at high iso. im glad im holding on my next sports body until further testing on this one. for the price i would LOVE a 7D2 over a 1DmkIV, but for sports high iso is important for night field sports and poor gym lighting. those that say people arent buying this camera for the ISO performance clearly dont shoot sports under less than ideal lighting




  
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Oct 01, 2014 15:40 |  #57

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well thats upsetting with all the hands on videos saying how impressive it is for a APS-C camera at high iso. im glad im holding on my next sports body until further testing on this one. for the price i would LOVE a 7D2 over a 1DmkIV, but for sports high iso is important for night field sports and poor gym lighting. those that say people arent buying this camera for the ISO performance clearly dont shoot sports under less than ideal lighting

Spot on....I shoot mostly dance comps, so whatever camera I buy ISO performance and auto focus are top on the list




  
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Oct 01, 2014 15:44 |  #58

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My final action will lie between the other attempt and this one, as I believe I have established the 2 ranges of filters by color channel at this point.

This is attempt 2 to the other extreme of what I usually set as the final action.

Same 7D2 12800 sample, after my NR on top (obviously)... :)

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Different spot in the scene...

[GIFS ARE NOT RENDERED IN QUOTES]

Looks like it cleans up very nicely while retaining plenty of detail. I find this very encouraging, especially since I already pre-ordered one. :-)

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Oct 01, 2014 16:17 |  #59

wow, can't believe how much noise you can get rid of with so little loss of detail - I must learn this magic :)


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Oct 01, 2014 16:19 |  #60

Shake N Vac wrote in post #17188552 (external link)
wow, can't believe how much noise you can get rid of with so little loss of detail - I must learn this magic :)

well on the flip side, if teamspeed is already creating a noise reduction action for the camera, it's because it's got horrible noise to start with :D


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