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Oct 02, 2014 14:30 |  #121

Thomas Campbell wrote in post #17190260 (external link)
When The iq is about the same as five year old Nikon cameras , it is a concern.

I'll take great iq over fps every day of the week.

Are you trying to talk me out of a 1D4? ;);)


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Oct 02, 2014 14:36 |  #122

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What about touch screen? Not familiar with all the functionality of 70D, one can focus on anywhere on screen using live view with 70D right?
Thanks

Just my opinion (and you might like it as much as you do your mother-in-law) but the 70D and the 7D2 are targeted at two completely different groups. The only way to get a camera is to look at what YOU do with photography, then find a body/lens system that does what you do.

You do not buy a table saw to do fine scroll work.

Oh and if it is ALL about IQ, go buy a Hasselblad H5D200C!


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Oct 02, 2014 14:41 |  #123

Thomas Campbell wrote in post #17190291 (external link)
The 7D2 won't have more than a minimal if at all increase in iq over the D300s.
Overall image quality:
D300s: 70
D70: 68

http://snapsort.com …on-EOS-70D-vs-Nikon_D300S (external link)

It doesn't like like the 7D2 iq is much different from the 70D.

if you are using snapsort to judge image quality...well ...enough said. Having shot both the D300s and 7D I can assure you the D300s is not superior than the 7D, much less the 7D2 (unless it is a step backward which I doubt).


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Oct 02, 2014 14:42 |  #124

Thomas Campbell wrote in post #17190301 (external link)
I would love a crop camera with 10 fps, dual card slots, top of the line crop iq and pro af. Too bad no camera manufacturer makes one.

stop trolling please


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Oct 02, 2014 15:03 |  #125

Thomas Campbell wrote in post #17190291 (external link)
The 7D2 won't have more than a minimal if at all increase in iq over the D300s.
Overall image quality:
D300s: 70
D70: 68

http://snapsort.com …on-EOS-70D-vs-Nikon_D300S (external link)

It doesn't like like the 7D2 iq is much different from the 70D.

ahh, Snapsort :)


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Oct 02, 2014 15:31 |  #126

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I have to agree with those that say the 7D MKII isn't enough of a upgrade to warrant purchasing

that is HIGHLY Dependent upon what you are upgrading from.


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Oct 02, 2014 15:31 |  #127

Thomas Campbell wrote in post #17190301 (external link)
I would love a crop camera with 10 fps, dual card slots, top of the line crop iq and pro af. Too bad no camera manufacturer makes one.

Your describing a 1dmk4 in the Canon world?

Seems that nikon or canon users will always be disappointed some way or another with their new "offerings".

The Nikon d750 really disturbed alot of Nikon users in the crippled max shutter speed of 1/4000. That was a total deal breaker to many. I dont blame them since its suppose to be a D700 replacement.

So far the latest info on the 7dmk2 certainly isn't substantially better than a 70d in terms of image quality and high iso performance. Fair enough but honestly every canon fan was anticipating a major jump in iq from a 7d to a 7dmk2.

As we all know many forums are gear driven. In the nikon world your now not cool unless you do not own the substantially better D810 vs old D800.....seems forum members must keep up with the joneses. I love gear so I wont deny my eyes sparkle when I see new canon offerings.

Your photography looks pretty good with your Nikon gear. Keep it up!! Use the tools to the best of its capabilities and push your skills. If you love nikon....stick with it :)

Since we are all end users with no voices to the big manufacturers we get what we get.

In due time Nikon will produce an identical spec'd camera just like the 7dmk2......but with a superior sony sensor. That will stir up waves.....

Canon really should have stepped up the 7dmk2 IQ closer to a 1dmk4 level instead of concentrating R&D on sophisticated AF that wont deliver that much more improvements in IQ as the 7dc.

I think realistically speaking if canon left the 7D body as is but revamped sensor that produced much better IQ (closer or on par with 1dmk4) it would have a higher percentage of happier canon users. Bells and whistles requires less R&D compared to cmos sensor development. If the 7dmk2 had this evolutionary step it would draw more dslr videographers and still photography users.

Regardless.....Canon built the 7dmk2 (not proven AF just yet and hopefully not like the 70D AF issues) people will buy buy buy :)

I'm itching to test :)


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Oct 02, 2014 15:38 |  #128

Here is the 1D4 vs 7D2 raw at ISO 3200...

Again, the sharpening algorithm used in DPP makes a difference.

1) If you use the Canon default Sharpen method on the 1D4 and the USM method on the 7D2, there is at least 1 stop difference between the two, but the 1D4 isn't quite as sharp.

2) If you make the 1D4 use the USM method, the noise is enhanced, and the gap is narrowed a bit, to maybe 1 stop, but really probably 2/3 stop, but the image is sharper.

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The 1D4 is still one of my favorite cameras, and holds its own even today. Needless to say the 7D2 won't be replacing the 1D4 just due to IQ. However if you have to crop the 1D4, then the resizing of that crop to what the 7D2 captures, the difference would negate some of the ISO differences.

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Oct 02, 2014 16:05 |  #129

khwaja wrote in post #17190306 (external link)
TeamSpeed,
What about touch screen? Not familiar with all the functionality of 70D, one can focus on anywhere on screen using live view with 70D right?

Thanks

I have updated according, thank you for this. I don't shoot video, but have updated that list for video items too.

CURRENT LIST OF FEATURES compared to 70D


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Oct 02, 2014 16:54 |  #130

cale_kat wrote in post #17190204 (external link)
Since the 7D Mark II is going to see a lot of professional use for sports, the outboard WFT E7A v2 wireless file transmitter is much better for arena applications than some wimpy internal WiFi transmitter."

Yes you can spend a bomb on the wireless adaptor but Canon have disappointed me.

If you want to shoot tethered you can't FTP images, as I can with my 1D4 and WFT-E2. You have to go via ESO Utility.

They way I work is to have a 1Dx with a 70-200 plugged in via a LAN cable. I shoot, check images on screen and FTP chosen images to the laptop. Lightroom is watching the folder that the images go into and it imports them. I do a quick selection of the imported images, crop, straighten and adjust as necessary.

I then export to PhotoMechanic, to caption (it can be done in LR) but I prefer PM & then FTP to the agency.

I also have a 1DIV & WFT-E2 with a 400 on which plugs in to a LAN to USB adaptor, that uses the same process as above.

I was hoping that the 7D2 would be much better than the 1DIV at high ISO & that I could FTP via USB3.

That unfortunately is not possible, so I need to run EOS Utilities as well. I also don't believe (but if anyone knows differently please say) that I can choose the 7DII to only download via EOS Utilities protected images.

If the 7DII had been far superior to the 1DIV at high ISO then I would use the 400mm on the 7DII and use the 1DIV a remote camera behind the goalmouth at soccer. I would then have protected in camera the images I want and whip the card out and in to a reader for downloading.

But heyho you have to live with what you have.


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Oct 02, 2014 18:36 |  #131

Thomas Campbell wrote in post #17190260 (external link)
When The iq is about the same as five year old Nikon cameras , it is a concern.

I'll take great iq over fps every day of the week.

Me too!!


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Oct 02, 2014 21:24 |  #132

TeamSpeed wrote in post #17190415 (external link)
Needless to say the 7D2 won't be replacing the 1D4 just due to IQ.

Heh. That's the takeaway for me from all this.

Canon should have matched the 1DIV pixel quality on the 7DII.
With the same pixel quality - but more megapixels - the 7DII would have surpassed the 1DIV in overall IQ.
Now that would have been a very exciting camera. Too bad Canon didn't (or couldn't ???) do it.

Oh, well. It is what it is.

Thank you, TeamSpeed, for all you efforts. This has been a very informative thread.




  
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Oct 02, 2014 21:29 |  #133

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Oct 02, 2014 21:54 |  #134

jorkata wrote in post #17190925 (external link)
Heh. That's the takeaway for me from all this.

Canon should have matched the 1DIV pixel quality on the 7DII.
With the same pixel quality - but more megapixels - the 7DII would have surpassed the 1DIV in overall IQ.
Now that would have been a very exciting camera. Too bad Canon didn't (or couldn't ???) do it.

Oh, well. It is what it is.

Thank you, TeamSpeed, for all you efforts. This has been a very informative thread.

Matching the pixel quality of the 1DIV would be very tough, at least currently. 7DII pixel is 4.1µm, while the 1DIV is 5.7 µm. So the 1D pixel is 39% larger. That is a very significant size difference.


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Oct 02, 2014 22:10 |  #135

jase1125 wrote in post #17190327 (external link)
if you are using snapsort to judge image quality...well ...enough said. Having shot both the D300s and 7D I can assure you the D300s is not superior than the 7D, much less the 7D2 (unless it is a step backward which I doubt).

Snap sort is just using the scientific ratings from dxo . If you didn't realize that, well enough said.

I've shot with both and would choose the D300s every day over the 7D and it isn't close.


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