Mini-Review: Initial 7D vs 7D2 Raw Comparison from Imaging Resource

Here are 6 different snippets from the IR raw files at 3200 in a shadowed area, all side by side (5D2, 7D, 1D4, SL1, 70D, 7D2)

http://teamspeed.smugm​ug.com …915248&k=wWMLzZ​F&lb=1&s=O

TeamSpeed wrote in post #17191773
Here are 6 different snippets from the IR raw files at 3200 in a shadowed area, all side by side (5D2, 7D, 1D4, SL1, 70D, 7D2)

http://teamspeed.smugm​ug.com …915248&k=wWMLzZ​F&lb=1&s=O

Looking at those makes me sad Canon won't be making any more 1.3 crop bodies. The 1D4 from 2009 with modern updates would be stellar.

Interesting read on the 7D2 from a well respected sports shooter that uses a 1DX and 5D3. His workflow mirrors mine as well, which makes me happy.

I also forgot that the LCD is a brand new LCD that should show details of the shots very well. Sure this is Canon marketing but still a good read. Video shows you some of the camera's operations too.

http://cpn.canon-europe.com …_on_the_eos_7d_​mark_ii.do
https://www.youtube.co​m/watch?v=NKxeKh14E_M

Video features
http://www.learn.usa.c​anon.com …mkii_video_feat​ures.shtml

Another person to watch for once they have run the 7D2 through (Lepp)
http://www.birdsasart-blog.com …-7d-ii-this-could-be-you/

Video from 7D2
http://www.cinema5d.co​m …a-quality-review-footage/

Anti Flicker details
http://www.learn.usa.c​anon.com …s7dmkii_antifli​cker.shtml

agree layer2

2n10 wrote in post #17191296
The problem with the final DxO number is how it is achieved. No one but DxO knows the formula behind it. DxO's scientific finding on individual aspects is very solid though.

The summarized numbers from DXO are useless. It doesn't tell you anything about the camera or lens. However if you care to look deeper into the number crunching,details and graphs inside their sub-menus, those are incredibly useful.

I didn't expect the noise to get better since they jammed more pixels on an AP-C sensor. I guess they didn't learn from the Nikon d800 megapixel monster. I don't see the need to dump my 7D to get the mkii.

And yet with 2mpx more, the noise is a bit cleaner yet at 100% (not even downrezzing), and a tiny bit more detail than the 7D, so it's not a wash. I doubt most 7D owners will upgrade, only those that would like 1D capabilities would.

TeamSpeed wrote in post #17191337
Okay, I need to throw in some comments to address some of the complaints being posted...
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you are biased toward the FF format, and no matter what Canon does, you won't be happy. Canon could put a new fangled sensor in the crop body that rivals the FF, and then your complaint would be why they don't put that in the FF

you are simply never happy with anything, everything you own, you find fault with...

I guarantee you that there are professional sports, wedding and event shooters that use the 7D today very very successfully, but don't spend time on boards because they are putting that effort into their art, and they will be able to use the 7D2 as a great tool to step up their results. The rest of the folks will just sit around and point out small deficiencies of what Canon produces, point at other systems, etc. If you point to a system using a Sony sensor, for example, then move there, life is too short to sit and complain about it.

Man, I agree with you 1000%. I have seen this over and over and over again. I remember it was Canon was trying to win the MP war, then when they came out with the 1DX, they complained it was not enough MP because Nikon or some other model had more.

The 7D2 will sell very well. Believe that. If it's AF is better than the 1DX, wooo, they are definitely going to sell. And, some of you complainers on this thread will be some of those buyers. Hell, why not sell your 7D to fund the 7D2; it's the AF system. If you were happy with the 7D ISO, then you should be happier with the ISO and much better AF system.

I am waiting to see real world reviews and with non-beta bodies. I may get one for my nature photography work.

The 5D3, while not having the 1DX fps, is producing some excellent football images for me. So, I can hold off on the 1DX for now. The 7D2 AF system has now put pressure on the 1DX, so I'm sure Canon has something on the horizon - 1DX2

Just One Man's Opinion

I'd like to see the Full Frame vs crop and Nikon 36MP vs. Canon 20MP debate end in this thread.

The forum is so full of crop vs. FF, and Nikon vs. Canon we really don't need to rehash it in every thread posted.

Lastly, it is clearly O.T. to the original post and thread title.

Thank you for understanding.

All I really care about is that the 7D2 is a good enough camera for it to pay for itself in short order and produces files that are better than my 7D. I appears that it will do both. That makes it a winner in my book.

Well...my next book.

Interestingly, once the 7D2 gets to the $1400 price point due to rebates or sales in about 6-9 months after its release, the sales will take off, I feel. Even though the price is very fair where it is, there is something magical that happens to tech sales at the 20% off list price point. That is probably where I will pick one up too, but it will be outside the NBA season at that point, which is where the camera would shine best for what I shoot.

TeamSpeed wrote in post #17192249
Interestingly, once the 7D2 gets to the $1400 price point due to rebates or sales in about 6-9 months after its release, the sales will take off, I feel. Even though the price is very fair where it is, there is something magical that happens to tech sales at the 20% off list price point. That is probably where I will pick one up too, but it will be outside the NBA season at that point, which is where the camera would shine best for what I shoot.

in 6 to 9 months, this thing will hover the same way the 7D did for a long time, in the ~1100 range on the refurbished site/second hand/black friday sale.

snake0ape wrote in post #17191948
The summarized numbers from DXO are useless. It doesn't tell you anything about the camera or lens. However if you care to look deeper into the number crunching,details and graphs inside their sub-menus, those are incredibly useful.

That is what I was referring to. Not very well though.:o

The 7D was available through the Canon refurb Loyalty program for around $1100-1200 in early to mid 2011, much more than 6-9 months after its release, but many other places including the used market was higher than that.

EDIT: I am wrong, it looks like CLP had the 7D in Oct 2010, so a year later, but again with the discount over the refurb price, it was still around $1200. I had ordered 2 5D2 refurbs at that time, as I was looking for a FF backup to the 7D. They could hardly keep them in stock. The same would happen with the 7D2 if in a year, you could get it for $1200 through CLP.

The Loyalty program is a special niche discount that isn't available to all, and with limited supply from time to time, so it is not indicative of the used prices of the 7D 1 year out. The used ones on the boards went for much more.

I really dont remember my 7D fetching that much in 2011, maybe I priced myself too low, who knows.