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Canon officially announces the 7D Mark II

 
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Oct 04, 2014 22:17 |  #1321

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Arthur Morris The renowned bird photographer is to receive and start using a 7DII Monday so we should know very soon the skinny on this camera. Although he is a Canon user and has strong ties with Canon he is very candid on his opinions of Canon and other mfg products. He will likely begin daily reports on his findings as early as Tuesday next week. You can follow him at www.birdsasart-blog.com (external link).

Here's his report on the 7D: http://www.birdsasart-blog.com …eos-7d-first-impressions/ (external link)

It'll be interesting to compare the two writeups.


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Oct 05, 2014 08:51 |  #1322

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I'm just asking why 5 years...couldn't they have released a camera with these specs a year ago...is there any new technology in the camera that doesn't already exist in another model currently?


The answer is obvious, no. Any company no matter how large has limited resources and needs to make decisions, on a global level as were to put resources and when. Non of us were in on those meetings. I have brought over 200 products to market over the years and it is never simple. Where wrong decisions made along the way, sure. But remember, Canon's schedule is not designed for you or a small group on this forum, it is designed to make money as a whole, not just in one niche product category and one niche product category does not make or break a large company like Canon.

This one skew is not a make or break product for Canon.


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Oct 05, 2014 09:38 |  #1323

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The answer is obvious, no. Any company no matter how large has limited resources and needs to make decisions, on a global level as were to put resources and when. Non of us were in on those meetings. I have brought over 200 products to market over the years and it is never simple. Where wrong decisions made along the way, sure. But remember, Canon's schedule is not designed for you or a small group on this forum, it is designed to make money as a whole, not just in one niche product category and one niche product category does not make or break a large company like Canon.

This one skew is not a make or break product for Canon.

my point is more that the technology that they are releasing in this camera existed in cameras a year ago...it's like if they introduced a 5DIV 4 years after the III...yet everything that is in the camera was available 3 years after...


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Oct 05, 2014 09:39 |  #1324

Welp, I did something I have never done before. I pre-ordered the 7D2 and grip. Hopefully Art's review will come sooner than later and if it's a dud, I can cancel.


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Oct 05, 2014 10:44 |  #1325

DreDaze wrote in post #17194756 (external link)
my point is more that the technology that they are releasing in this camera existed in cameras a year ago...it's like if they introduced a 5DIV 4 years after the III...yet everything that is in the camera was available 3 years after...

No it was not available in one camera.... until now.

The answer is they prioritized differently.


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Oct 05, 2014 10:55 |  #1326

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No it was not available in one camera.... until now.

The answer is they prioritized differently.

i never said it was available in one camera...but there's nothing in this camera that is new


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Oct 05, 2014 10:56 |  #1327

DreDaze wrote in post #17194756 (external link)
my point is more that the technology that they are releasing in this camera existed in cameras a year ago...it's like if they introduced a 5DIV 4 years after the III...yet everything that is in the camera was available 3 years after...

Which is perfectly sensible, as I fully expect they will use the same (almost) APS-C sensor in more cameras due to R&D costs.

As for your hypothetical 5DIV, I don't see why they'd have any obligation to release a 5D4 three years after the previous model if they feel the 5D3 still has marketing potential i.e. more profits/return on the R&D investment. It just makes perfectly good sense.


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Oct 05, 2014 11:00 |  #1328

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i never said it was available in one camera...but there's nothing in this camera that is new

The available in one camera is what is new. It is a NEW design, making a complicated product from "old" technology is still very complicated, this is not like clicking legos together. BTW the software for such a product is always new no matter what.


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Oct 05, 2014 11:21 as a reply to  @ K Soze's post |  #1329

CROP OR CRAP??????
http://dedpxl.com/crop​-or-crap-math-or-moment/ (external link)

Some of you might find this very informative.


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Oct 05, 2014 13:55 |  #1330

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i never said it was available in one camera...but there's nothing in this camera that is new

Incorrect... anti-flicker is a new capability made possible by enhancements in the new 7D2 sensor. I don't believe its ever been available in any DSLR. As a camera aimed at prosumer sports and wildlife shooters, this is a valuable feature for shooting sports in poorly lit gym venues. This alone would save me hours and hours of processing time vs. any other DSLR.

In addition, part of this is a dramatic difference in technology/price point. The AF engine in this camera has never been available at this price point. Prior, you were spending $1,000+ more for it. So many people are reacting purely on ISO capabilities of the sensor of the 7D2 and not looking at the bigger picture. This AF engine is easily worth a $1,000 premium for anyone shooting sports. Your only other options to get it are the 1DX or 5D3, neither of which are crop bodies. So bringing this engine to a crop body probably required new technology.


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Oct 05, 2014 15:45 |  #1331

Seems many on here take issue with "one" component of this 7D2 camera (and other cameras too) and forget it's the combination of components that work together in a way that improves the final image we produce.

As one less tech-trained than others, I really don't care how the image gets to it final stage - the print. It only matters that I understand the technology and settings enough to get it there. We can do the math, and peek at the pixels, and scrunch one minute mathematical difference between one component and another -- but the bottom line, those minutia differences are virtually undetectable in a print --

Well, now someone will jump in here and say, "Size of print matters". And I'll quickly agree, but will never attempt to create something that's not possible with the digital data either. Know what your equipment will do, don't stretch it beyond its boundaries, and the minutia will not matter as much.

Just because you can quantify it, doesn't mean you must. I've seen some pretty stunning images come out of a 30D with a 28-135 kit lens. Sometimes, it's the person behind the lens that makes more difference than the equipment itself -- so what if it can only be printed at 8x10, it still knocks your sox off when you see it.

Despite that, I'm still looking forward to the 7D2 arriving, but the reason is because of what it will do, not what it won't.




  
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Oct 05, 2014 17:14 as a reply to  @ monkey44's post |  #1332

Here's some images and video I came across from Canon of the 7DII

Time for Dissecting

http://web.canon.jp …ng/eosd/samples​/eos7dmk2/ (external link)


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Oct 05, 2014 18:00 |  #1333

butterfly2937 wrote in post #17194895 (external link)
CROP OR CRAP??????
http://dedpxl.com/crop​-or-crap-math-or-moment/ (external link)

Some of you might find this very informative.

Don't feel like going into detail, but the guy is full of it and sponsored by Fuji.


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Oct 05, 2014 18:37 |  #1334

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Here's some images and video I came across from Canon of the 7DII

Time for Dissecting

http://web.canon.jp …ng/eosd/samples​/eos7dmk2/ (external link)

Something a tad wrong with your hyperlink.............​..I think you copied and pasted the wrong text ;) it 'says' as a link what you posted in your first sentence.

Edit ~ well theres odd. My quote of your link 'says' the right URL but your embedded one is wrong??? How does that happen and what has gone wrong with yours???


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Oct 05, 2014 18:43 |  #1335

Box Brownie wrote in post #17195638 (external link)
Something a tad wrong with your hyperlink.............​..I think you copied and pasted the wrong text ;) it 'says' as a link what you posted in your first sentence.

Edit ~ well theres odd. My quote of your link 'says' the right URL but your embedded one is wrong??? How does that happen and what has gone wrong with yours???

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