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Should I sell my Utterly MINT 70-300L F4-5.6 IS USM and get a 1.4 Tele Mk III

 
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Oct 05, 2014 18:47 |  #31

No TeamSpeed, only cat pictures in low light are real world pictures. :) (no one commented on your other picture, but an equally real use, they did). Remove cat and insert tiger, and you'd get the same results. Justified.


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Oct 05, 2014 18:58 |  #32

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So the 70-200 isn't designed to take a TC? Also, a school event outside isn't a real world event?

the 70-200 definitely takes extenders like a champ. Indoors lowlight, 2x seemed pretty damn good, using the 1.4xiii, I can take it down to really dim light levels with no issues, like 1/80 ISO 25600 F4 for reference.

I could probably find focus at even darker areas, but I'm not going to shoot ISO 51200....

with the 1.4, you'de be hard pressed to find differences, but 2x, ok, you *might* be able to spot iffy AF.

my 2x is definitely not good when it comes to IQ, will probably go for the 2xiii, the sigma was just an inexpensive trial. IQ is great stopped down to F8, but I'de like a good performer wide open.


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Oct 05, 2014 19:00 |  #33

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No TeamSpeed, only cat pictures in low light are real world pictures. :) (no one commented on your other picture, but an equally real use, they did). Remove cat and insert tiger, and you'd get the same results. Justified.

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Maybe I forgot to mention that I shot 2 complete cross country meets, through the entire race with the same setup. That is probably not real world enough either? How about the one yesterday that was in 45 deg cold windy rainy weather? Not real world either?

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Oct 05, 2014 19:00 |  #34

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the 70-200 definitely takes extenders like a champ. Indoors lowlight, 2x seemed pretty damn good, using the 1.4xiii, I can take it down to really dim light levels with no issues, like 1/80 ISO 25600 F4 for reference.

I could probably find focus at even darker areas, but I'm not going to shoot ISO 51200....

with the 1.4, you'de be hard pressed to find differences, but 2x, ok, you *might* be able to spot iffy AF.

my 2x is definitely not good when it comes to IQ, will probably go for the 2xiii, the sigma was just an inexpensive trial. IQ is great stopped down to F8, but I'de like a good performer wide open.

Sigma TCs have never had a good reputation.


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Oct 05, 2014 19:11 |  #35

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Sigma TCs have never had a good reputation.

well, they definitely fetch a high price on ebay.... I hardly hear about them, and didnt research them too much. Saw a really good deal on the 2x so snatched it for the time being. I'll grab the 2x when the refurbs go on sale again, definitely not paying retail for an item that I wont use often.

edit: IQ is not good enough for me, not in general fwiw. I may be more critical than others when it comes to this sort of thing. It is my opinion that 1.4xiii wide open cropped would be better than the 2x sigma wide open.... so it's useless to me.


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Oct 05, 2014 19:28 |  #36

I wouldn't mind a 2x III, but don't want to sink that much into it just yet. Lugging the 70-200 2.8 with the 2x was lighter than taking the 50-500 OS, so that is what I did for these meets. For now the Kenko works well enough. Perhaps I have a really good copy, who knows? If in good lighting, I can spot her peach fuzz at 100%, that is more than what I would need in a print, or otherwise. Focusing was absolutely fine, I had no issues, I had maybe 2 missed shots. Colors were okay, contrast was a bit iffy from time to time, the Kenko likes to "ghost" a bit, but post takes care of most of that.

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Oct 05, 2014 19:35 |  #37

yeah, I'm pretty sure my sigma matches that, checked out the full res photo. I sold off a bunch of gear and have a some money left over and dont know what to do with it, so it's going into teleconverters..... which makes little sense.......

realistically, the only time I will use it is at the zoo or sea world, which is like once a year........

the 1.4x may be used a whole lot more, with landscapes and all. Might even use it with the TSE17 since I've read it works well with it.


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Oct 05, 2014 21:40 |  #38

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So the 70-200 isn't designed to take a TC? Also, a school event outside isn't a real world event?

I just got back from Yellowstone where is shot animals in low light. that's the real world I was referring to. TCs are a kludge on the shorter lenses, meant to be used occasionally, if then. if I need 300mm or 400mm regularly i'll buy the lens.


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Oct 06, 2014 20:32 |  #39

Well dear old eBay settled it.
Just saw 2 complete.
1. Totally mint £690
2. One "nearly Mint" ( er odd description ) £680
So in pursuit of the best IQ possible I would need a 1.4 x Mk III, at £329,
Leaves £370. Cash released.
Cons:-
- I get 280mm not 300mm
- possible slightly worse IQ
- a hell of a lot more bulk, and another joint
- lose a potentially useful backup lens
- not really a great deal of cash - to put to a new 100-400L MkII or a 100 L f2.8 macro ( 2 lenses I am interested in - and no 5D4 yet lol )
- wromg time to sell with the reduction in Yen i.e.competing against the grey market new.

Pros:
- releases £370
So defo keeping it for now.
But thanks for all your suggestions.

If I went back in time, ref my current usage, I think I would have Got the 70-200 F2.8 L mk II and the Kenco 1.4. Then I would have had £1000 in the piggy bank for a 5D4. Or the new 100-400L.

Out of interest my manual on the 70-200L mkII definitely states the 1.4 and the 2x Mk IIIs are fully compatible. But not on the 70-300 L ( the latter would have been useful - 480mm on FF :) )


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