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Oct 06, 2014 10:20 |  #31

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Is 1/4000 shutter speed really that big a deal?

It is when you want to shoot fast primes outdoors for very creative compositions. 1/4000th is really nothing when you are outside, we could actually use 1/16000 like the original 1D had (even though I guess it wasn't a mechanical 1/1600th?). You would have to buy 1 or 2 stop ND filters for your primes if all you could shoot at is 1/4000th, then deal with the hassles of installing/removing them as needed.


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Oct 06, 2014 10:34 |  #32

I think I have about 10 shots in total @1/8000 second. This doesn't negate the importance to other users, I just wouldn't see it as a deal breaker, especially if ISO 50 is an option, but it's not usually that bright here in Ireland :)


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I can't believe some people are arguing that they don't want/need to be able to lift shadows from a 5 stop underexposed shot. The fact that you can do it is ABSOLUTELY AMAZING. If it were a Canon sensor people on here would be singing it's praises and bowing at it's very existence. Since it's a Nikon, well meh...

True, you should never shoot a shot 5 stops underexposed. But you can see even with that shot there is no banding (or very little). That is the amazing part.

It is better to have that capability and never use it than than not having it when you need it. Kind of like a 600 HP car. Yeah, never really going to utilize all that HP on the road, but nice to have just in case...

And it's not like Nikon sacrificed anything else to achieve those results. The 1/4000 ss limit was an artifical limit not to cannibalize D810 sales. AF is even better now, high ISO still continues to improve. I am impressed by the D750. At 24mp it is the right amount also.




  
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Oct 06, 2014 10:41 |  #34

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There should be a genre of photography dedicated to just pulling shadow detail

It's called wedding photography. ;)

Expose for the dress and increase the shadows to make the groom's suit look right.


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Oct 06, 2014 10:47 |  #35

jaomul wrote in post #17196821 (external link)
I think I have about 10 shots in total @1/8000 second. This doesn't negate the importance to other users, I just wouldn't see it as a deal breaker, especially if ISO 50 is an option, but it's not usually that bright here in Ireland :)

It is when you shoot below 1.8 a lot :p


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Oct 06, 2014 10:48 |  #36

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Being able to pull from shadows helps a lot when you are shooting something like architecture interiors and you want to make a room's vast dynamic range even out a bit to what we see with our eyes. Or when shooting landscapes. Or portraits. You aren't going to be pulling the entire image up, but dodging and burning certain areas to recover detail is pretty common. ...

Bingo- you rarely will have to increase an entire image 5 stops underexposed, but there are lots of images that your primary subject is exposed properly, and due to the dynamic range of the surrounding scene, you want to bring up details in other areas of the image. Everyone sees examples like this and thinks who would do that? What they need to show is a realistic shot where you can expose an image with more dynamic range without resorting to HDR or merging, due to the detail you can pull from the shadows.




  
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Oct 06, 2014 11:06 |  #37

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I would think with the extra detail and ability to bring up the exposures on the Sony, the 13mpx resolution wouldn't be too much a hit, after you resize the image up as you would need it. What does a resized Sony image that is pulled multiple stops look like compared to a 6D equivalent exposure test?

Ohhh i was so close in pulling the trigger on buying one yesterday (probably one of the only ones in stock in my city)

I'll have to say that camera is the best high iso camera I've ever played with.

12.8 MP still enough but I'd still prefer the 22mp range for crop flexibility. For my event work 12.8 is still very good.

If there was a comparison between d750 and A7s there is no doubt in my mind for slower moving subject photography this Sony is the king of high iso camera's in todays market. Slap on a metabone adapter and a loyal canon user can use his lenses. Low light video rig is also going to benefit from this little camera.

On the same note the sony A77mk2 shoots 12fps!!! and IQ is as good as any crop body. I didn't get to test the high iso performance though......

Sure this is a canon forum but I think we should accept that the bottom line is the love for photography be it hobby or income.

The d750 is pretty darn good!!! A7s is by far superior for a light sponge with less noise and insane dynamic range.


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Oct 06, 2014 11:06 |  #38

mclaren777 wrote in post #17196832 (external link)
It's called wedding photography. ;)

Expose for the dress and increase the shadows to make the groom's suit look right.

:) so true


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Oct 06, 2014 11:32 |  #39

AlanU wrote in post #17196872 (external link)
Ohhh i was so close in pulling the trigger on buying one yesterday (probably one of the only ones in stock in my city)

I'll have to say that camera is the best high iso camera I've ever played with.

12.8 MP still enough but I'd still prefer the 22mp range for crop flexibility. For my event work 12.8 is still very good.

If there was a comparison between d750 and A7s there is no doubt in my mind for slower moving subject photography this Sony is the king of high iso camera's in todays market. Slap on a metabone adapter and a loyal canon user can use his lenses. Low light video rig is also going to benefit from this little camera.

On the same note the sony A77mk2 shoots 12fps!!! and IQ is as good as any crop body. I didn't get to test the high iso performance though......

Sure this is a canon forum but I think we should accept that the bottom line is the love for photography be it hobby or income.

The d750 is pretty darn good!!! A7s is by far superior for a light sponge with less noise and insane dynamic range.

I thought the general consensus was that Canon is actually better at the high ISO, but Sony is better at DR and shadow recovery at low ISO? I believe that when you go to 12800, for example, between a 6D and Sony, the 6D would come out ahead?


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Oct 06, 2014 12:07 |  #40

It is my error not getting proper exposure. Actually it happens always when I take my kid picture with his dark skin tones in bright light. I tried little bit in DPP to lift the shadows. Does Nikon crop sensor helps me to get better details here.

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Oct 06, 2014 16:25 |  #41

Any chance those were originally captured as JPGs?


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Oct 06, 2014 17:08 |  #42

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Any chance those were originally captured as JPGs?

I captured them in RAW + JPEG format. Converted these pics from RAW using DPP.
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Oct 06, 2014 18:28 |  #43

Your saturation seems very high, everyone seems orange on my screen, which has been calibrated with the color munki. First steps are to make sure your white balance is good, then your saturation. Then you can figure out leveling to bring out midtones to lighten them up. You can also use a dodge tool to selectively lighten up areas. There are many ways to be selective about what you bring up and what you leave alone.

If you can share the raw for either photo, we can describe the changes we make to it in order to get you closer to your desired goal.


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Oct 06, 2014 20:12 |  #44

jaomul wrote in post #17196781 (external link)
Is 1/4000 shutter speed really that big a deal?

Nope. Most people are forgetting that the D750 can go down to ISO 50. I'm a 1.4 prime shooter and I've never had ANY issue with 1/4000, and I live in sunny SoCal.

Also, if you can cleanly bring up a 5-stop underexposed shot to a clean "normal" exposure, just think how much latitude you can get if you properly exposed an image to begin with. In fact, the DR is so ridiculous that I don't even use my ND grads anymore. Maybe I can sell them to my buddy who shoots a 5DII.


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Oct 06, 2014 20:20 |  #45

I have shot here in good ol' sunny Indiana at ISO 100 with an 85L and 1/8000th wasn't enough. ISO 50, assuming it is a real ISO 50 would obviously help, but if it is an interpolated ISO 50, I would rather use ND filters.


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