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Oct 07, 2014 15:17 |  #16

If your career was on the line where you had an office of folks behind you taking all your photos during a game to see what gold nuggets lie on the card (or you were wirelessly transmitting as you took shots), you would spray the entire game. Let somebody else dig through what you have. If you are an amateur or hobbyist, and have to go through your own photos for your own use, you would be more picky about what you shot and how many frames you took. Also 10+fps is useless unless your system can hold focus on the subject the entire time the burst was happening.

It is all about the perspective and end goal. When you are trying to scoop some other organization, you would spray a ton.


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Oct 07, 2014 15:21 |  #17

since when was 1/1000 shutter the slowest possible shutter to freeze sports action? is this a new thing because i have definitely froze action shooting soccer at 1/500




  
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Oct 07, 2014 15:29 |  #18

Brian_R wrote in post #17199697 (external link)
since when was 1/1000 shutter the slowest possible shutter to freeze sports action? is this a new thing because i have definitely froze action shooting soccer at 1/500

1/1000th is about what I shoot for at NFL games. At 1/800th, I sometimes get some motion blur on feet/hands/balls.

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If your career was on the line where you had an office of folks behind you taking all your photos during a game to see what gold nuggets lie on the card (or you were wirelessly transmitting as you took shots), you would spray the entire game. Let somebody else dig through what you have. If you are an amateur or hobbyist, and have to go through your own photos for your own use, you would be more picky about what you shot and how many frames you took. Also 10+fps is useless unless your system can hold focus on the subject the entire time the burst was happening.

It is all about the perspective and end goal. When you are trying to scoop some other organization, you would spray a ton.


You and I have different philosophies when shooting pro sports, then. I doubt he had a team of people in the stadium editing for him.

Even when I do have a runner and editor, I don't spray like a mad man. I shoot pretty much the same, only I don't have to waste time going to the media room. Every pro sports photographer I know tags photos in camera while shooting to make it easier and quicker on themselves and/or their editors to sort.

I don't know a single shooter that would just spray and pray just because they have an editor on site. The people that can get an editor on site aren't the spray and pray types.


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Oct 07, 2014 15:30 |  #19

Brian_R wrote in post #17199697 (external link)
since when was 1/1000 shutter the slowest possible shutter to freeze sports action? is this a new thing because i have definitely froze action shooting soccer at 1/500

you certainly dont have to use 1/1000, and can even use 1/400 if you want. 1/1000 is kind of a no hassle shutter speed that is good for sports. No hassle as in 99% of all shots will be frozen solid, where 1/500 you're working with 80-90% super frozen shots. When shooting action, I usually just throw my camera to 1/1000 and forget about it. I've usually got enough ISO ability to handle for it, and would rather not deal with fiddling settings. Of course if I'm starved for light, then I'll go down to 1/400 and overshoot.

if I'm shooting ISO 6400 or less, I wouldnt think twice about 1/1000 for action.


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Oct 07, 2014 15:42 |  #20

the 5D3 not a sport hahahahaha
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Oct 07, 2014 15:58 |  #21

While I enjoyed the video I was wondering about why he had such a fascination with the crop design? I mean he sounded like he had never heard of a crop camera and had never used one based upon his enthusiasm! I know Scott has APS-C cameras as he said so, so why the incredible show of emotion over it being a crop? Other than that, I liked and learned a little from his Blog video.


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Oct 07, 2014 16:04 |  #22

Waffled a lot, he could have said all the relevant stuff in about 10-15 minutes


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Oct 07, 2014 16:12 as a reply to  @ artyman's post |  #23

I would hold everything Scott Kelby says about canon gear in the same regard as Ken Rockwell.
You know before either has the camera in their hand, if it says Canon....IT'S GREAT.




  
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Oct 07, 2014 16:16 |  #24

Sorry the video was unwatchable for me. The guy on stage left was so freaking annoying, .. and I could not wait for any of his points.

Also, the similarity of script that he did touch on to the other video I watched two days ago (some other guy, sorry can't recall name) was too much. This is where the "crop is so much more affordable" line came from, it's clearly part of the talking points that are being covered by a previously written script.


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Oct 07, 2014 16:17 |  #25

Scoobert wrote in post #17199808 (external link)
I would hold everything Scott Kelby says about canon gear in the same regard as Ken Rockwell.
You know before either has the camera in their hand, if it says Canon....IT'S GREAT.

Funny about that, I think it used to be the other way around for both of them.


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Oct 07, 2014 16:19 |  #26

Charlie wrote in post #17199297 (external link)
the full jpgs are quite soft and noise reduction pretty aggressive.

I recall Scott saying in the video, that all the photos has no noise reduction. Yes, they are JPEG (because there is no RAW converstion software available yet) so maybe there could be some sneaky in-camera processing, but its nothing that is turned up from what I can tell. There is alot of detail. Maybe his focusing isn't spot-on on a few.


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Oct 07, 2014 16:23 |  #27

Brian_R wrote in post #17199697 (external link)
since when was 1/1000 shutter the slowest possible shutter to freeze sports action? is this a new thing because i have definitely froze action shooting soccer at 1/500

I would look at your photos again. If the ball is kicked hard, it will show blur at 1/500. I have many blurred balls and foot even shooting at 1/1000.


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Oct 07, 2014 16:25 |  #28

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If you shoot JPEG, yeah my 5Diii is OK for sports. The buffer runs out pretty fast in RAW. And 6fps is alot slower than 10fps. So that extra 4fps will make a difference in giving you the best moment.


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Oct 07, 2014 16:29 as a reply to  @ Scoobert's post |  #29

Much respect for him. No whining and crying over and over about dynamic range, just great photo after great photo. That's what cameras are for. No test charts, no pointless pixel peeping. Shot two major events with an untested-to-him pre-production camera he had never used before.

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Oct 07, 2014 16:33 |  #30

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Sorry the video was unwatchable for me. The guy on stage left was so freaking annoying, .. and I could not wait for any of his points.

Also, the similarity of script that he did touch on to the other video I watched two days ago (some other guy, sorry can't recall name) was too much. This is where the "crop is so much more affordable" line came from, it's clearly part of the talking points that are being covered by a previously written script.

Yes, I am sure that this video is targeting the mass consumer soccer mom and football dad crowd. For well-read camera freaks like us, I got nothing from it except some confirmation. That is if you trust the guy. I am convinced however, that the 7Dii is a monster of a camera at $1800.


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