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Oct 07, 2014 20:15 |  #31

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Nobody who knows what they're talking about would say that. Giving a 20Mpx crop sensor the same ISO noise capability as the 6D would have required a truly revolutionary sensor, and NOBODY has one like that available. At least not for a price that anybody who's not building a space telescope could afford...

I don't think any rational 7 d owner was expecting 6 d iso performance equivalence - what would have been real good is a genuine one stop lift in iso performance and / or with better detail in the shadows and I don't think that was an totally unreasonable expectation really after 5 years of r&d for canon - so a 22 mp or maybe a 24 mp sensor with better iso performance and no 7 d c noise banding and some better detail in the shadows seems a pretty reasonable hopefull expectation and I expect I was not alone in that hope

if that's is in there with the "all new 20.2 mp sensor" (canon marketing speak) that would be brilliant but it appears that may be unlikely based on the samples shots out there but no one except cannon and its paid marketing photo people know that answer yet - so probably somewhere close to the 70 d iso and in shadow detail performance will be the actual go

so good enough to shell out $1800 if in usa or $2300 if in aus for the new 7d mk 2 crop cam with a super 65 point cross type af and with cp at f8 capability and gps etc etc well I guess it will have to be because that's what it is and it aint going to change for awhile I imagine !!!!


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Oct 08, 2014 06:52 |  #32

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I don't think any rational 7 d owner was expecting 6 d iso performance equivalence - what would have been real good is a genuine one stop lift in iso performance and / or with better detail in the shadows and I don't think that was an totally unreasonable expectation really after 5 years of r&d for canon - so a 22 mp or maybe a 24 mp sensor with better iso performance and no 7 d c noise banding and some better detail in the shadows seems a pretty reasonable hopefull expectation and I expect I was not alone in that hope

if that's is in there with the "all new 20.2 mp sensor" (canon marketing speak) that would be brilliant but it appears that may be unlikely based on the samples shots out there but no one except cannon and its paid marketing photo people know that answer yet - so probably somewhere close to the 70 d iso and in shadow detail performance will be the actual go

so good enough to shell out $1800 if in usa or $2300 if in aus for the new 7d mk 2 crop cam with a super 65 point cross type af and with cp at f8 capability and gps etc etc well I guess it will have to be because that's what it is and it aint going to change for awhile I imagine !!!!

The reviews and test shots I've seen have indicated something like 2/3 of a stop improvement in ISO, and no (or very minimal) banding in the shadows. "All new" is a bit of a stretch when it apparently has the same underlying silicon, with improved microlenses and color filters.


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Oct 08, 2014 16:26 |  #33

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The reviews and test shots I've seen have indicated something like 2/3 of a stop improvement in ISO, and no (or very minimal) banding in the shadows. "All new" is a bit of a stretch when it apparently has the same underlying silicon, with improved microlenses and color filters.

hi yes agreed - and that's why I reckon the jury is I still out on the 7 d mkm2 and the performance of its "all new sensor " which does not appear to be all that new really :rolleyes: !!!!
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Oct 08, 2014 16:41 |  #34

Who cares really if it is new or not. Basically the 7D2 is a older more experienced more capable brother to the 70D. If the 70D was accepted by many, the 7D2 will be even more so.


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Oct 08, 2014 18:50 |  #35

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Who cares really if it is new or not. Basically the 7D2 is a older more experienced more capable brother to the 70D. If the 70D was accepted by many, the 7D2 will be even more so.

gday ts and yes I often agree with your view and respect your judgement but as I say I reckon the jury is still out on the performance of the "all new sensor" in the mark 2 7 d -will be very happy when its in my hands if your total confidence re its reputed increased much better performance over the 7 d (and also the 70 d sensor) proves to be right on the money

- so when are you buying one then - or have canon marketing been smart enough to send you one to test and you know more than we do :D !!!
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Oct 08, 2014 19:03 |  #36

Would be nice but I am just a speck of dust on canon's tabletop. ... :( :D


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Oct 08, 2014 19:15 |  #37

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Would be nice but I am just a speck of dust on canon's tabletop. ... :( :D

well canon need to wise up a bit :rolleyes: - reckon a good few on here would be more inclined to take notice of a real life hands on test by you than some of these paid big names sprouting canon marketing hype ;)


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Oct 08, 2014 19:22 |  #38

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well canon need to wise up a bit :rolleyes: - reckon a good few on here would be more inclined to take notice of a real life hands on test by you than some of these paid big names sprouting canon marketing hype ;)

My thoughts EXACTLY. To me its an insult for canon to be running out their paid propaganda machines. If the camera is that great put the pre production camera in the hands of some unbiased shooters and reviewers.
I would believe that far more then I would listening to one of their paid stooges.




  
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Oct 10, 2014 16:43 |  #39

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well canon need to wise up a bit :rolleyes: - reckon a good few on here would be more inclined to take notice of a real life hands on test by you than some of these paid big names sprouting canon marketing hype ;)

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My thoughts EXACTLY. To me its an insult for canon to be running out their paid propaganda machines. If the camera is that great put the pre production camera in the hands of some unbiased shooters and reviewers.
I would believe that far more then I would listening to one of their paid stooges.

Well you may feel that he is just a paid Canon stooge but one thing that cannot be denied is the man has good technique, otherwise he wouldn't be as published as he is.

Now, if you wanted to promote your product - would you try to sell it by putting in the hands of unknown shooters (perhaps of unknown quality even) to potentially dismiss your product because they were lacking in technique?


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Oct 10, 2014 17:01 |  #40

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Well you may feel that he is just a paid Canon stooge but one thing that cannot be denied is the man has good technique, otherwise he wouldn't be as published as he is.

Now, if you wanted to promote your product - would you try to sell it by putting in the hands of unknown shooters (perhaps of unknown quality even) to potentially dismiss your product because they were lacking in technique?

no totally agree with you - I have worked in a sales an marketing in the dim past (unfortunately ) and of course you get the best known and highest reputed person to market your product :rolleyes:- but that's exactly the point they are marketing the product not independently reviewing or testing it - that's what they are allegedly paid for or supported for if you prefer that description - they may well be independent but they are possibly not acting independently at that time or for that product :D

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Oct 10, 2014 17:08 |  #41

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no totally agree with you - I have worked in a sales an marketing in the dim past (unfortunately ) and of course you get the best known and highest reputed person to market your product :rolleyes:- but that's exactly the point they are marketing the product not independently reviewing or testing it - that's what they are paid for or supported for if you prefer that description - they may well be independent but they are not acting independently at that time or for that product :D

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Well you could make the same argument for anyone who gets a pre-release copy of the camera. :)


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Oct 10, 2014 17:22 |  #42

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Well you could make the same argument for anyone who gets a pre-release copy of the camera. :)

yep and happy to give canon my postal address :D !!!!


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Oct 10, 2014 20:17 |  #43

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yep and happy to give canon my postal address :D !!!!

Same here.


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Oct 10, 2014 21:01 as a reply to  @ 2n10's post |  #44

I'm finding it amusing how many posts/threads are trying to compare impressions of Canon statements vs any picture examples of the 70D vs 7D. When it comes to sensor, Canon reps are saying the main difference in sensor is a change in microlens development. So yes, technically that would be a re-design: maybe not "major" and enough for pixel peepers to be out of luck. But the number of posts I'm seeing about initial jpegs of pre-production 7DmkII vs any 70D images being a verdict of IQ...well that's what I find amusing.


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