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Alternatives to the Sigma 12-24 HSM II?

 
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Oct 12, 2014 22:19 |  #16

I'd also hate to see you blow up your 6D mirror on the 10-22mm.
I think the SIGMA 12-24mm is the only game in town. No fuss no muss.


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Oct 12, 2014 22:20 |  #17

CyberDyneSystems wrote in post #17209621 (external link)
I'd also hate to see you blow up your 6D mirror on the 10-22mm.
I think the SIGMA 12-24mm is the only game in town. No fuss no muss.

has anyone really ever blown up their mirror?...i think i remember reading one person say it made a thunk...and that was it...no damage...i think this is one of those myths that really doesn't have any evidence to support it


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Oct 12, 2014 22:37 |  #18
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I posted a WTB ad in the classifieds here on POTN. I have 60D / 15-85 / 60 2.8 macro to sell/trade. If you know of a good used 12-24, let me know. B&H has one for $589, rated 9. I can wait a bit. My wife has to cool off from my 17-40 and 50 1.4 purchases last month, anyway.


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Oct 21, 2014 17:09 |  #19

DreDaze wrote in post #17209531 (external link)
if you have the 10-22mm, you could always pop the baffle out and use it on your 5D...don't use it at 10mm, so it doesn't interfere with the mirror though

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Wow that's full on....I wouldn't trust myself not to hit the mirror ;)

I'm looking to replace my 16-35mm (version i) as it's a bit soft and I want to get wider than 16mm. I think my conclusion and an answer to the posted question is that there is no alternative to the Sigma 12-24mm.

I have considered the Samyang 14mm but the manual focus kills this one for me. Canon 14mm is way too pricey for a lens I would only use 5-10% of the time at weddings.

I do like the Canon 17mm tilt shift but price again is high.....almost rather get the Samyang 24mm tilt shift in this case.


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Oct 21, 2014 19:12 |  #20
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mckay photography wrote in post #17225923 (external link)
Wow that's full on....I wouldn't trust myself not to hit the mirror ;)

I'm looking to replace my 16-35mm (version i) as it's a bit soft and I want to get wider than 16mm. I think my conclusion and an answer to the posted question is that there is no alternative to the Sigma 12-24mm.

I have considered the Samyang 14mm but the manual focus kills this one for me. Canon 14mm is way too pricey for a lens I would only use 5-10% of the time at weddings.

I do like the Canon 17mm tilt shift but price again is high.....almost rather get the Samyang 24mm tilt shift in this case.

We're on the same page. I am really leaning toward the Samyang/Rokinon/Bower/​Vivitar 14mm f/2.8, also. It is BOATLOADS sharper than the Sigma 12-24. The Canon 14mm is out of my price league. I am just not sure that it is wide enough. My 17-40 isn't even close. 12mm would be nice.

One comment about MF. When I shot film (803 years ago), I would mount my 28mm lens, fix focus at about 4-5 feet, stop down to f/8-11, and shoot all day without refocusing. Works like a charm, and should be A LOT easier with a 14mm lens. Without looking at charts, I would guess f/5.6-8 and focus at 3 feet will get you everything from 2 feet to infinity in excellent focus.

AF is actually a waste on the Sigma. If you focus at infinity (or greater than about 15 feet) you are wasting tons of DOF. If I do end up with the Sigma, I will shut off the AF and never touch that switch again.

Still debating.... Rok 14 is loads sharper. It is even useable at f/2.8. Costs $300. Sigma just may be more useful focal range, though. Costs $900. What to DO?


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Oct 21, 2014 19:24 |  #21

For the price of either the 14mm rokinon / samyang ~$300-400 or a second hand sigma 12-24mm at ~$350-450 I might get both and test them out.

I agree you're right re focus not being an issue - and I'm sure it won't hurt to learn some decent skills and not reply on AF. And agree the 14mm would be sharper..... with a trade off of the sigma being 2mm wider and being more versatile as a zoom.


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Oct 21, 2014 20:21 |  #22
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If I could find the Sigma for $350, I'd go that route. I am more concerned with useability than the very highest IQ.

I find manual focus to be a non-issue at 35mm and wider, even at f/2. The longer the lens, the harder it is, unless you always want to shoot at f/8. Forty years ago I had no problems manually focusing a 135 f/2.8. Not today.


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Oct 21, 2014 20:33 |  #23

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If I could find the Sigma for $350, I'd go that route. I am more concerned with useability than the very highest IQ.

I'm comparing either lens to my old 16-35mm, which is not great. I've heard the new 16-35 f4 is very good but I'd like to try wider for a change. Plus I already have a 24-70mm mk II and this is sharp at 24mm.

Plus I'm after this for just a few cracker shots at a wedding - something different that really stands out. It would normally be outdoors with decent light so I can shoot at a good aperture to maximise the IQ.


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Oct 21, 2014 21:12 |  #24
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My 17-40 is good enough for me, as far as it goes. But, I've run into the need for something wider while doing agricultural stuff. Farm equipment is huge, which lends itself well to creative UWA shots. If I need aperture in this range, I have a 28 1.8 and 35 IS. Today, I am leaning toward the Rokinon/Samyang 14. The price is really attractive. Amazon has it for $298, new.


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Oct 21, 2014 21:18 |  #25

For $300 you cant go to wrong eh.


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Oct 22, 2014 05:17 |  #26

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For about $200 more, I can get the 12-24. I guess that is where I am going. I don't mind manual focus, like the Bower/Samyang/Rokinon, but I'm afraid 14mm wouldn't be wide enough.

14mm is significantly wider than 17mm.

If you're trying to go wider, you're going to be dealing with massive distortion. You're borderline fisheye at this point when you get to 12mm. Samyang/Rokinon have a new 12mm fisheye that is fantastic. It's not over the top and it's ultra ultra wide. It's amazing how much wider it is than 14mm and how much wider than that it is from 17mm.

I would really suggest you just try the 14mm Samy/Rok. Even if you just rent it for a day. 14mm on full frame is very, very wide. That lens is very sharp. And it's inexpensive. If you truly need wider than 14mm, you have few options. But this is one of the better ultrawide options currently. Just understand that it's not going to take standard filters without an adaptive hood. Kind of a pain. But CPL on ultrawide is not great anyways as it has a lot of weird patterns. But you can use your 17-40 for the filter stuff.

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Oct 22, 2014 05:21 |  #27

MalVeauX wrote in post #17226694 (external link)
I would really suggest you just try the 14mm Samy/Rok. Even if you just rent it for a day.

Good idea....not sure if there would be one for hire locally.

Re the 12mm being very distorted - I agree and might find I shoot at 14mm a lot, or even 15mm, I dont know. But the sigma has that versatility so that for me trumps the sharpness of the 14mm prime, especially at weddings when you dont always have a huge amount of time.


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Nov 13, 2014 20:20 |  #28
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Just popped back in to say I bought the Rokinon 14mm f/2.8 UMC. It is crazy wide. I like it so far, but still getting used to it. Never (almost) having to focus is weird.

EDIT: Got it new at B&H for $297.99.


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Nov 14, 2014 03:00 |  #29

DreDaze wrote in post #17209623 (external link)
has anyone really ever blown up their mirror?...i think i remember reading one person say it made a thunk...and that was it...no damage...i think this is one of those myths that really doesn't have any evidence to support it

well i dont want to be the one who finds out ;)


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Nov 14, 2014 03:13 |  #30

I got a 12-24mm a couple of weeks ago and have shot two weddings with it. Compared to my 16-35mm (version i) I'd say it's around the same sharpness - so nothing stellar but that's not what I'm looking for with this lens.

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The width is pretty extreme but I dont find it distorts as much as I feared...as long as you keep it fairly level.

All in all it's been a great buy for me - I paid A$375 second hand.

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