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Goodbye DSLR Nikon, Hello Mirrorless Sony

 
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Oct 22, 2014 21:26 |  #46

AlanU wrote in post #17227126 (external link)
Have you ever played with a sony A77mk2???? That is a camera that is not getting alot of attention simply because its Sony.

I'm extremely heavily invested in Canon. I bet for most soccer mom/dads would buying a Sony A77mk2 they would get very similar keeper rates in this mirrorless camera. After testing one I'd say its extremely impressive at 12fps too!!!!!

Sorry but the a77 has a mirror.




  
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Oct 22, 2014 21:30 |  #47

HappySnapper90 wrote in post #17228305 (external link)
Sorry but the a77 has a mirror.

Half a mirror. And it doesn't move




  
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Oct 22, 2014 21:48 |  #48

khwaja wrote in post #17226541 (external link)
Well, his next lens purchase brand is Canon and model is 10-18mm to go with his mirrorless Sony.

Well ... there is no way that i put my money in a lens which work only on APS-C (not compatible with my bodies), it's not even a good lens if i refer to the quality of the pictures on the digital picture website ;)


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Oct 22, 2014 22:04 |  #49

2ndviolinman wrote in post #17227878 (external link)
I have a family of 6 kids who all study violin. The soccer (gymnastic, ballet, cardiologist) mom has a 1Dx, and when she got it I played with it, and to try the AF, I had one of her kids run across the (large, dark) room at me, waving his hands in front of his face. At 10 fps, every one was tack sharp on the face.

Is there a mirrorless that can do that, yet?

Some soccer moms are pretty darned serious.

johnf3f wrote in post #17227943 (external link)
I assume this is a joke, in which case I totally agree! The 1DX and D4S are just pants compared to Mirrorless:rolleyes:

Wake up guys ... Canon an Nikon are not the only one on this planet, they have a huge choices of lenses, ok, but there is plenty which are pushing behind them ...

Just for example a mirrorless =>
http://www.dpreview.co​m/previews/samsung-nx1/3 (external link)
-The world's fastest autofocus system, with the ability to lock focus in 55ms.
-205 phase detection points (153 of which are cross-type), which cover around 90% of the frame.
-28MP
-15 frames per second with continuous AF
-$ 1499 !!!!!
and so on ...


Just to remind 1Dx with his 61+ AF points which does NOT cover even 60% of the frame have 12fps with AF or 14fps whithout AF tracking at $ 6000 the body


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Oct 22, 2014 22:28 |  #50

I really like what Samsung is doing but it's still not a full frame sensor.


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Oct 22, 2014 22:45 |  #51

Having the world's greatest AF system ever that covers 100% of the frame doesn't help me a whole lot if I can't mount a 400mm f2.8 or a 600mm f4 on it.


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Oct 22, 2014 23:28 |  #52

Thomas Campbell wrote in post #17228415 (external link)
Having the world's greatest AF system ever that covers 100% of the frame doesn't help me a whole lot if I can't mount a 400mm f2.8 or a 600mm f4 on it.

That's why we are "stuck" with the Canon or the Nikon "system", because it's an all system (body/lenses) but let Samsung develop and have a nice choice of different lenses ... those Korean guys they are not only good nowadays, but they are getting more better and better and have the will for it ;)


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Oct 22, 2014 23:52 |  #53

Thomas Campbell wrote in post #17228415 (external link)
Having the world's greatest AF system ever that covers 100% of the frame doesn't help me a whole lot if I can't mount a 400mm f2.8 or a 600mm f4 on it.

This really is only true to the very few people who own or sometimes rent those types of lenses. The vast majority of people will never use or even touch lenses at that type of price tag.


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Oct 22, 2014 23:59 |  #54

Reservoir Dog wrote in post #17228364 (external link)
Just for example a mirrorless =>
http://www.dpreview.co​m/previews/samsung-nx1/3 (external link)
-The world's fastest autofocus system, with the ability to lock focus in 55ms.[I]

There's more to it that cherry-picking stats. How smart is the camera, and how configurable is it? If a 1DX takes, say 100ms to lock focus from infinity, and the mirrorless can do it in 55ms, the 1DX can still win if it keeps focus closer between shots on a moving subject.

In my swimming example above, even my old 1D3 gives me the option to have the AF go hyper and swing quickly between the far wall and the swimmer's last location. But I can also tell it to chill, and wait for the last subject to return, then have a much shorter distance to move the focus.

Surely the mirrorless systems can adopt this kind of functionality, but have they? Will we see Sony lining the fields at the Women's World Cup in 1.5 years?


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Oct 23, 2014 00:25 |  #55

John wrote in post #17227220 (external link)
Only thing that concerns me about Sony is their lens lineup. Anyone got any links on what their lens roadmap is if any?

Considered getting the A7 and a metabones for canon lenses but then I started shooting more sports.

Dyxum is an awesome forum for sony cameras (A mount and E mount)
http://www.dyxum.com/l​enses/index.asp (external link)


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Oct 23, 2014 01:54 |  #56

speedync wrote in post #17228313 (external link)
Half a mirror. And it doesn't move


Half of a mirror? A mirror is a mirror, no matter how small. Your statement reminds me of the joke about someone giving a kid a shovel and telling him to dig half of a hole.

If there is a mirror, (no matter how small or what it does/doesn't do) then the camera isn't mirrorless.


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Oct 23, 2014 03:34 as a reply to  @ HappySnapper90's post |  #57

What I will say on this subject is I like where Sony is going


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Oct 23, 2014 09:47 |  #58

elitejp wrote in post #17228482 (external link)
This really is only true to the very few people who own or sometimes rent those types of lenses. The vast majority of people will never use or even touch lenses at that type of price tag.

There are a lot more sports and wildlife photographers than you would expect. And there are a number of lenses that Sony simply does not make for their cameras, which keep a lot of people from switching to their side. Not having a good flash system doesn't really help, either.


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Oct 23, 2014 10:01 |  #59

Thomas Campbell wrote in post #17228985 (external link)
There are a lot more sports and wildlife photographers than you would expect. And there are a number of lenses that Sony simply does not make for their cameras, which keep a lot of people from switching to their side. Not having a good flash system doesn't really help, either.

You are quite right, Thomas. My most-used lenses are my 400 f2.8 and my 300-800mm. And I mostly shoot animal behavior - moving animals. I am sick of people making blanket statements about how mirrorless systems are so much better than DSLRs. People who feel this way should qualify their statements by adding clauses like, "for what I shoot", or "for stationary subject matter", or "for those using focal lengths up to 200mm", etc. But they often don't add these qualifiers to their statements, and instead issue the statements as blanket statements. It is wrong for them to do that.


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Oct 23, 2014 10:20 |  #60

Love your work, Tom.


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