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Oct 24, 2014 13:52 |  #1

I want to buy a light or an off camera flash. last weekend I took some outdoor pictures of a friends family and had an extremely difficult time getting rid of shadows. I see a lot of LED lights less then $100. They are mainly marketed for video, but are they worth it for still photography or should I invest in electronic triggers for my Yongnuo flash? My main use would be for outdoor portraits, but also some indoor shots. I do hope to put together a mini-studio for home and travel.
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Oct 24, 2014 15:07 |  #2

Triggers and flash. You don't have hope of making a significant difference with a LED panel outdoors on a remotely bright day IMO. Are you shooting in the shade or in the open?


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Oct 24, 2014 19:20 as a reply to  @ flowrider's post |  #3

Here's an untouched photo in the spot I wanted to take their picture (I realize it's not even a good raw pic), and then the one I ended up with in better conditions. (It's tough to take 8mb pics and make them lesws then 150k!)


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Oct 26, 2014 07:36 |  #4

Would a regular off light flash had helped or do I need a larger light?


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Oct 26, 2014 08:01 as a reply to  @ dansmail26's post |  #5

Ultimately you should experiment and determine what works for you, but a bare speed light in full sun usually looks just fine. Even in open shade or overcast conditions just a speed light can do the trick as fill.

One thing you might want to wok on in the full sun pic is the positioning of your subjects relative to the sun. The way you have them is probably the hardest to do anything with.


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Oct 26, 2014 08:12 as a reply to  @ Left Handed Brisket's post |  #6

Thanks! I didn't have a ton of choices, thats a waterfall (turned off, it was winterized the day before!) behind them, and the pond is to the left of them so I couldn't go there! Plus the dad is wheelchair bound, we had a hard time getting him where he was. I did use my flash to try and fill in, but just couldn't get what I wanted.


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Oct 26, 2014 08:33 |  #7

As mentioned above placement is key. Having the sun rake across them negates whatever you gain in backgound. Get the sun directly behind them or at least hsve their faces fully in shadow then you can use flash to illuminate their faces. Its difficult to fill shadows with their faces being lit from the sun on the side, because whatdver light you add to fill the shadows also raises the highlights. In theory you could underexpose the ambient scene massively then add fill but your background elements would be dark. Its just much easier to control placement to get the sun to help you rsther than fight it.




  
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Oct 26, 2014 09:19 |  #8

So it sounds like there was no way I could get that shot.
For other shots, as a rookie at trying to take better shots perhaps I should get some triggers (Yonguno?) and another flash to use remotely?


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Oct 26, 2014 09:29 |  #9

A few feet can make a difference, so whether you could get the shot while still getting your desired background isnt clear. There is also the option of shooting at a different time of day. Using fill flash is useful but I dont see any need to add a second until you learn how to use the one you have.




  
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Oct 26, 2014 10:38 as a reply to  @ gonzogolf's post |  #10

^ exactly what I was going to say.

I use an app called Photo Pills that allows me to know where the sun will be at any given time, for any location and time. It has a bit of a learning curve, but they proved a lot of video tutorials on their site.

Did you use your flash in the second shot? It doesn't really look like it.


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Oct 26, 2014 10:55 |  #11

Better time and position of the subject/photographer would worked here without the need for any flash. This is from someone who shoots mostly flash outdoors.


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Oct 26, 2014 11:17 |  #12

I agree about the sun, but this time of year here in the northeast it's tough to get a good day with the sun so low in the sky. I was mad my friend winterized his beautiful water falls just before I shot that day, but we had a 70 degree day he made good use of!
I believe I used my flash on the second one, I will go check the properties on the image.


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Oct 26, 2014 11:58 |  #13

dansmail26 wrote in post #17233927 (external link)
I agree about the sun, but this time of year here in the northeast it's tough to get a good day with the sun so low in the sky. I was mad my friend winterized his beautiful water falls just before I shot that day, but we had a 70 degree day he made good use of!
I believe I used my flash on the second one, I will go check the properties on the image.

Put a diffuser then in between the sun and them. BTW - In fall, winter sun will be lower in the sky isn't it and that too earlier in the evening? I just did a model shoot the day before and it was sunset by 6:00pm here in northern CA.


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Oct 26, 2014 12:12 |  #14

- Yes, that is the problem the sun is very low, makes nit tough.

-The second pic was taken with a flash, 50mm 1.8 @ 2.4, 125 iso, 1/250.


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Oct 26, 2014 12:16 |  #15

dansmail26 wrote in post #17233998 (external link)
- Yes, that is the problem the sun is very low, makes nit tough.

-The second pic was taken with a flash, 50mm 1.8 @ 2.4, 125 iso, 1/250.

The sun is low in the sky every night and every morning and those are great times to make photos. The season has zero influence on the way you have to handle the sun. .




  
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