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Article: patent troll sues photographer for infringement on patent for workflow

 
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Oct 04, 2014 16:23 |  #61

Dan Marchant wrote in post #17120959 (external link)
At least one of the patents was for an automated way to search for an image in an online database by bib number. Now unless someone can show that they had such a system prior to that then he will win his case.

I look up my very obscure perverted Japanese fetish pron using an online search and the catalog number. Cuts down on false hits 100%, no keywords that would cause lots of headache and likely viruses (virii?)

can I patent that?


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Oct 06, 2014 15:29 |  #62

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Forum contributors, PLEASE read the patents in question and try to understand some of the legal and technical details before judging the validity or anything else associated with the patents. Wrong information is misleading and confusing. Mr. Skelps is fueling misinformation on these forums and websites he has published.

The invention occurred and was filed with the Patent Office in 1999. No one has ever found any prior art before that date – including the USPTO. Unfortunately the patents didn’t issue until 2006 and by that time many event photography businesses used the invention including Capstone. A patent owner can’t really do much until the patent issues. So, for six long years I sat there and saw my ideas being used and couldn’t do a thing.

Once the patent issued we contacted some event photography companies and several, including the largest in the industry, MarathonFoto, licensed with us immediately. Some refused to license and we filed our first law suit against 8 infringers, including Brightroom. Within a short time they all settled and/or licensed with us. There were a few more lawsuits and the end was the same – they settled and/or licensed.

I contacted Michael Skelps at Capstone in 2008 and we had a cordial phone conversation. I personally followed it up with a polite email explaining the situation. He didn’t respond! We contacted him again in 2011, he didn’t respond. We filed a claim against Capstone in 2013 and he had to respond through attorneys. That is a VERY expensive way to communicate.

Recently I personally contacted him again by phone and email but Michael Skelps doesn’t respond. Michael seems to be fixated in fighting until the bitter end. It makes absolutely no sense, especially from a business point of view.

I believe Mr. Skelps has a really bad case of pride or stubbornness and he may very well go out of business and bankrupt before conceding that he could be wrong or resolve our differences.

I don’t wish anyone to go out of business or bankrupt but Mr. Skelps will NOT communicate. What can you do if someone doesn’t want to talk or communicate accept through his lawyers? The noose is tightening more and more around his business and personal finances. Can anyone talk some sense into Michael? I really hate to see what he is doing to himself.

His recent filing of a Motion For a Judgment on The Pleadings is a feudal and VERY expensive way to invalidate the patents. We have filed a response and his motion will be denied. PLEASE, someone talk some sense to Michael and tell him he doesn't have to go down this road. Doesn't he realize that even if the patents were invalidated he would still be stuck with the legal fees. Are bragging rights that valuable? I don't think so. Michael, call any time if you want to talk: (805) 492-0562

On a more positive note we are making some headway in developing really slick automated cameras. Here are some preliminary specifications (external link).

We recently tried out the new system at a bicycling event (external link) and captured every biker climbing a hill in the morning and flying down the hill at nearly 40 mph in the afternoon. No easy feat with cameras and fill flash.

Peter Wolf

This is an obvious solution, and the patent should not have been granted. There was no innovation in this process. Anyone looking to hop into sports photography would come up with this process in their first 15 minutes of thinking about it.

You did nothing more than write it down first, and you should be ashamed.


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Oct 08, 2014 10:37 |  #63

waterrockets wrote in post #17197390 (external link)
This is an obvious solution, and the patent should not have been granted. There was no innovation in this process. Anyone looking to hop into sports photography would come up with this process in their first 15 minutes of thinking about it.

You did nothing more than write it down first, and you should be ashamed.

I absolutely agree. There is nothing innovative or inventive whatsoever about the process that is patented. The patent holder is just trying to use a faulty system to suck money out of people.


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"They're", "their", and "there" are different words with completely different meanings - please use the correct one.
"Fare" and "fair" are different words with completely different meanings - please use the correct one. The proper expression is "moot point", NOT "mute point".

  
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Oct 29, 2014 11:32 |  #64

Looks like Mr. Wolf has lost.

http://endpatentabuse.​com …ment_On_The_Ple​adings.pdf (external link)


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Oct 29, 2014 11:51 |  #65

Yup, and the decision was based on what I suggested it would be: courts have continued to find that computerizing a conventional method is not patentable.


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Oct 29, 2014 12:14 |  #66

That's not a decision in post 64, just a brief in support of a motion by the defendants.




  
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Oct 29, 2014 12:25 |  #67

wanyc wrote in post #17239888 (external link)
That's not a decision in post 64, just a brief in support of a motion by the defendants.

A judgment on the pleadings was filed yesterday. Of course you have to pay to download it and I'm not going to do that. . . but if you want to or have access to it you can find it here:
http://www.plainsite.o​rg …ne-photography-inc-et-al/ (external link)

Of course, the judge could have rejected the argument, but I can't verify that.


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Oct 29, 2014 12:46 |  #68

I'm rather curious to hear what the actual final ruling was.


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Oct 29, 2014 12:48 |  #69

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Oct 29, 2014 12:56 |  #70

wanyc wrote in post #17239888 (external link)
That's not a decision in post 64, just a brief in support of a motion by the defendants.


Oops, my bad....guess that's why I'm not a lawyer!

thanks for the clarification.


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Oct 29, 2014 13:00 |  #71

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I'm rather curious to hear what the actual final ruling was.

All three patents are invalidated. (I sent an e-mail to clarify)


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Oct 29, 2014 14:14 |  #72

It'll be interesting to hear if Mr. Wolf comes back to this thread to give his side of the story. While I disagree that the patents should have ever been granted, I do like hearing both sides.


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Oct 29, 2014 14:37 |  #73

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All three patents are invalidated. (I sent an e-mail to clarify)

That is great news! So what happens to all of the companies that have licensed with him?


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Oct 29, 2014 14:59 |  #74

BREAKING NEWS: A Federal Judge in the Central District of California has struck down all three patents in the lawsuit in which Capstone Photography is a defendant. The Court ruled "that all three of the patents in suit are directed to patent-ineligible abstract ideas, and lack an inventive concept that would make them patent-eligible applications of those ideas." The case is over and Capstone has prevailed. We are excited to have this issue resolved in our favor! However, the legal expenses are very steep and our small business will take quite a long time to recover from the $100,000 in legal expenses we have incurred. If you feel that we have helped your business or if you simply want to support the side of RIGHT, please consider donating at www.endpatentabuse.com (external link)




  
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Oct 29, 2014 15:09 |  #75

cory1848 wrote in post #17240153 (external link)
That is great news! So what happens to all of the companies that have licensed with him?

One, I'd guess (without knowing for certain) that he will have to refund the patent license fee.

Two: If I was in Capstone shoes, I'd sue him for court costs and lost business. We need to teach these opportunists a lesson, and this is a start.

We all work for our money in this country (USA) and should never allow this kind of extortion to prevail -- especially with a lot of independent photographers out there trying to earn a living and support a family.




  
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