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Ten of the Most Expensive Photographs Ever Sold.

 
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Nov 01, 2014 10:55 |  #106

I might hang a couple of those on my walls. But, on the flip-side, I would NEVER pay that much for them. So I guess they will NEVER go on my walls. :)

Art is interesting and funny at times. I like that the most expensive photo was heavily photoshopped by the photographer. This should give some of us hope. :)


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Nov 01, 2014 11:17 |  #107

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Oh Look if I'm attacked I will swing back

If both parties swing back, it never stops.


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Nov 01, 2014 11:23 |  #108

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If both parties swing back, it never stops.

Read my last post....sjones is the only really smart one in this conversation because it will never stop. As I said earlier the good thing on the world wide web now is that everyone has a voice. The really bad thing about the world wide web is that everyone has a voice. The fact remains that these works, like them or not, are for the most part created by important artists and are worth exactly what they sold for.




  
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Nov 01, 2014 11:31 |  #109

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Read my last post....sjones is the only really smart one in this conversation.

You edited your post since I replied, but you didn't change the part about swinging back.

What would Gandhi do?


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Nov 01, 2014 11:37 |  #110

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You edited your post since I replied, but you didn't change the part about swinging back.

What would Gandhi do?

I'm not Gandhi (the USMC part). The one thing the Corps taught me I could take anything and the thing that college taught me is I no longer have to. I have put up a very good defense of my position and I am right because the fact remains these works all sold for exactly what they are worth.




  
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Nov 01, 2014 11:43 |  #111

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I'm not Gandhi (the USMC part). The one thing the Corps taught me I could take anything and the thing that college taught me is I no longer have to. I have put up a very good defense of my position and I am right because the fact remains these works all sold for exactly what they are worth.

You can have a good position and defend it well without mentioning anyone's reading comprehension.


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Nov 01, 2014 11:54 |  #112

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You can have a good position and defend it well without mentioning anyone's reading comprehension.

When someone reads a post but clearly doesn't understand it by the response what else could it be? Only two things either they didn't read it or they didn't comprehend it.

Some others had some issues that even might have gotten a bit more personal earlier on in this thread but yet you choose to single me out when I was actually pretty much agreeing with you? Didn't go after he guy that made the first swing.

Back to topic, these photo sold for EXACTLY what they were worth. We, as photographers, should be thrilled that photographs are fetching what was once only happening with other art forms.




  
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Nov 01, 2014 12:24 |  #113

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Back to topic, these photo sold for EXACTLY what they were worth. We, as photographers, should be thrilled that photographs are fetching what was once only happening with other art forms.

Problem is that it is not the quality of the photos that are fetching the high prices. Remove the names and the backstory from the photos and they become worthless. It's not like the old masters where you look as a Michelangelo sculpture even not knowing that it's a Michelangelo, but you can appreciate the incredible skill it took to create. Most of these photos are rather ordinary but they have a great line of BS backing them up along with a strong personality pushing the "this is art" thing. The odds of one of your photos getting anything more than a few $$ is low unless your willing to enter the art circles and start your own line of BS surrounding your pictures.


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Nov 01, 2014 12:26 |  #114

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When someone reads a post but clearly doesn't understand it by the response what else could it be? Only two things either they didn't read it or they didn't comprehend it.

A person might understand it and respond in a way that masks his understanding because what he wants to do is promote his own view instead. That's one possibility. If understanding is really lacking, you can try to explain your point differently, emphasizing whatever the person seems to have missed. If, after several attempts, it becomes clear that personality issues are getting in the way, you give up trying to educate this person. You just give up. Without throwing things.

Attacking someone's reading comprehension happens all the time on comment sections attached to news stories, no matter what the topic is. I would hope threads here would do better.

Some others had some issues that even might have gotten a bit more personal earlier on in this thread but yet you choose to single me out when I was actually pretty much agreeing with you? Didn't go after he guy that made the first swing.

Didn't you see me go after the other guy? I put myself out there as a target when I entered the thread upon noticing that the other guy was being snippy and snotty.

What I'm saying, in case it isn't clear yet (!), is that the first swing doesn't justify a second swing.


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Nov 01, 2014 12:34 |  #115

Michael Angelo is worth the money because it was Michael Angelo that created it. Period. Van Gogh is the price it is because it's a Van Gogh. When you look at the work you know who created it. The same with Gursky, Weston and Sherman. It is bodies of work and the artist that created those bodies of work that help make the work valuable. Anyone can get lucky and be a one hit wonder. But can you create a strong body of relating work that not only is creative but has a piece of the creator in it? Try it. It is not easy. And I would say creating work that looks like everyone else's work is BS. It is the easiest thing to do. It takes a pair of them to try and find your own path.




  
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Nov 01, 2014 12:38 |  #116

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A person might understand it and respond in a way that masks his understanding because what he wants to do is promote his own view instead. That's one possibility. If understanding is really lacking, you can try to explain your point differently, emphasizing whatever the person seems to have missed. If, after several attempts, it becomes clear that personality issues are getting in the way, you give up trying to educate this person. You just give up. Without throwing things.

Attacking someone's reading comprehension happens all the time on comment sections attached to news stories, no matter what the topic is. I would hope threads here would do better.

Didn't you see me go after the other guy? I put myself out there as a target when I entered the thread upon noticing that the other guy was being snippy and snotty.

What I'm saying, in case it isn't clear yet (!), is that the first swing doesn't justify a second swing.

Yeah and I thought I was getting your back by deflecting some of the heat my way :lol::lol::lol:

Absolutley the last time that happens. How fast they'll turn on ya...:lol::lol:




  
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Nov 01, 2014 12:43 |  #117

OhLook wrote in post #17245556 (external link)
In #85, you asked whether I agree with a particular assertion. No, I disagree with the assertion….

Thank you for answering.

As to your asides: I'm sorry that you're disappointed but more so that you're not interested in adding your views about who is and who is not qualified to express his opinion of a given artwork, which is a point central to this thread.


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Nov 01, 2014 12:53 |  #118

The purpose of this thread was clearly stated by sjones in the 2nd post. This thread keeps coming up ever month or so and as he stated it is always the same.

Everyone can make a comment but the key is which comments are valid? The people that originally bought this work apparently had some kind of understanding of what would do well down the road. So they are not idiots as some would have you believe. So those people would have a valid opinion and would be able to make valid comments and that is clearly based on history. Wouldn't you say?




  
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Nov 01, 2014 12:58 |  #119

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Problem is that it is not the quality of the photos that are fetching the high prices. Remove the names and the backstory from the photos and they become worthless. It's not like the old masters where you look as a Michelangelo sculpture even not knowing that it's a Michelangelo, but you can appreciate the incredible skill it took to create. Most of these photos are rather ordinary but they have a great line of BS backing them up along with a strong personality pushing the "this is art" thing. The odds of one of your photos getting anything more than a few $$ is low unless your willing to enter the art circles and start your own line of BS surrounding your pictures.

that is exactly what you can not do. art is not just what you see composition wise, but the concept behind is equally important. without it, its just formalism, en empty decoration.

David without you knowing the story is just a naked man, and his body tension and facial expression says nothing to you, you have no idea what emotions he is facing, what goes on inside of him, what he has to do, what twist Michelangelo is putting on that character, all expressed by the form of the sculpture. If you just say: "what a well sculpted naked man, look at the realism" and so on, you are not experience the meaning of the art piece, but just how good the artist was with realism, anatomy etc, you are just talking about the mechanical craft.

Michelangelo was call BS by the public in his day too by the way, a mad pornographer etc, ordered by the pope to cover the nakedness on that most famous ceilings of all.


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Nov 01, 2014 13:03 |  #120

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that is exactly what you can not do. art is not just what you see composition wise, but the concept behind is equally important. without it, its just formalism, en empty decoration.

David without you knowing the story is just a naked man, and his body tension and facial expression says nothing to you, you have no idea what emotions he is facing, what goes on inside of him, what he has to do, what twist Michelangelo is putting on that character, all expressed by the form of the sculpture. If you just say: "what a well sculpted naked man, look at the realism" and so on, you are not experience the meaning of the art piece, but just how good the artist was with realism, anatomy etc, you are just talking about the mechanical craft.

Michelangelo was call BS by the public in his day too by the way, a mad pornographer etc, ordered by the pope to cover the nakedness on that most famous ceilings of all.

Absolutely, almost every artist or art movement usually had little support or love at the time. Impressionism was outcast by the mainstream art world of the time. The post impressionists like Van Gogh were also not excepted at the time.




  
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