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Nov 02, 2014 02:21 |  #1

Hi guys

I shoot prob 70% of my daughter in all settings amd the rest of all different random things. Im on a budget. Currently i have a 70d with tamron 17-50 2.8 and 70-300vc. What im finding is that i am shooting mainly around the 30 - 100mm amd so its a pain as i find myself always needing the other lens!

Any ideas on the best way to combat this? It would be a shame to lose the wide end of the 17-50 partic as i have a cropped sensor and no plans to go to ff. Likewise with the long end, i wouldnt want to lose yje ability to shoot at 200-250mm sometimes.

Cant really afford a 3rd lens.

Whats my best option?

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Nov 02, 2014 07:08 |  #3

If you can't afford another lens what do you expect us to say?

If you don't need the low light abilities of the 17-50, sell it and get a Canon 18-135mm STM lens. I had the non STM lens and it's pretty good IMO.


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Nov 02, 2014 07:30 as a reply to  @ HaroldC3's post |  #4

Expecting you to say the kind of thing u have done. I.e. what lenses do most of what either one of the ones i jave do but bridge the ffcsl length gap to which i refer.


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Nov 02, 2014 08:41 |  #5

24-105mm f4 L sounds like your best option. I don't think there's a faster or better IQ lens in that zoom range.

You can't have it all with lenses. Your other options would be something like an 18-135 and you could dump the 17-50. But that Tamron probably produces much higher image quality.

Super zooms are another option. You could also get an 18-250mm and only have one lens. The problem is that super zooms make too many compromises in image quality for most serious photographers. One exception is the 28-300 L which has particularly good IQ, not great but impressive for the range, and costs a mere $3k or so. It also doesn't get you the wide angle.

You have to choose based on your needs. You could sell one or both lenses and get a good lens that you use, in your words, 70% of the time. If it were me, it would be the 24-105L which can be had an amazingly affordable $600 new or LNIB.




  
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Nov 02, 2014 08:54 as a reply to  @ booboos's post |  #6

OP, it really depends on what you desire with your images! Is focal range your only consideration or do you also desire some faster glass for low light/portrait situations?


I had the Canon 15-85mm and Tamron 70-300mm di VC combo for a while. It's probably the best two lens "general purpose" combo you can have for an APSC camera, IMHO!

However, neither are good for lowlight or preferable for portrait-type shots. A f2.8 or faster aperture lens would be more desirable for those situations.

Therefore, I kept a Canon 50mm f1.8 or Tamron 28-75mm f2.8 as a third lens just for that specific purpose. That is about as good as you can get for an affordable 3 lens setup with an APSC in my opinion. You're focal range is covered from wide to telephoto and you are covered for portrait/low light situations.

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You're just not going to find a perfect or highly practical, highly affordable two lens combo for an APSC at this time. This has been my dilemma for a long while. You could go with a 24-70 f2.8 or 24-105 f4.0 but such isn't wide enough for me at times on my APSC. Personally, I now desire to go with faster and constant aperture lenses because we mostly photograph our girls. So I've been carrying two cameras and I'm now considering the following two lenses for walk-around purposes.

1) Sigma 17-50 f2.8 (covers wide to medium)
2) Sigma 50-150 f2.8 (covers medium to telephoto)

I'll hang on to either my Canon 15-85mm, Canon 18-135mm STM, or 24-105mm F4.0 when one lens will suffice. I'll also be keeping a fast prime (Tamron 60mm f2.0) when I desire really shallow depth of field or MACRO.

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Nov 02, 2014 08:58 |  #7

One more thought...if you primarily use 30-100mm focal range, that is 50-160mm equivalent on a full frame sensor. If you think you may ever upgrade bodies, this is another consideration. I stopped investing in EF-S glass years before I bought my full frame. I still had to purge many lenses after taking the plunge but it was less painful having some good primes and zooms I could use on the full body.

There really isn't, to my knowledge, a one lens solution in the 50-160mm range on a full frame. Just something to keep in mind. Most folks "zoom with their feet" and use a 70-200mm or 24-70. My point is, many photographers have two or more zoom lenses in their bag. And plenty more forgo zooms altogether and just have a handful of primes.

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Well, Ralph beat me to it. And proved that there is a quality lens in the 50-150 range. I forgot about that one.

I had the 15-85 and it is a good lens. But, like Ralph says, it isn't particularly fast. Same could be said of the 18-135.

Ralph is right that, in general, the best lens combo's are designed for full frame sensors. The 17-50 f2.8's are about the best APS-C designed lens around.

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You either have to sacrifice image quality and/or speed for a single all-purpose zoom or carry two lenses.




  
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Nov 02, 2014 09:03 |  #8

aggieoutlaw wrote in post #17247390 (external link)
24-105mm f4 L sounds like your best option. I don't think there's a faster or better IQ lens in that zoom range.

You can't have it all with lenses. Your other options would be something like an 18-135 and you could dump the 17-50. But that Tamron probably produces much higher image quality.

Super zooms are another option. You could also get an 18-250mm and only have one lens. The problem is that super zooms make too many compromises in image quality for most serious photographers. One exception is the 28-300 L which has particularly good IQ, not great but impressive for the range, and costs a mere $3k or so. It also doesn't get you the wide angle.

You have to choose based on your needs. You could sell one or both lenses and get a good lens that you use, in your words, 70% of the time. If it were me, it would be the 24-105L which can be had an amazingly affordable $600 new or LNIB.

That sums it up perfectly!
The 24-105 L IS USM is hands down the most versatile hi quality lens you can get for your camera. Look for refurbs and used. These are not one of the most popular lens' without reason!


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Nov 02, 2014 09:42 |  #9

Didereaux wrote in post #17247431 (external link)
That sums it up perfectly!
The 24-105 L IS USM is hands down the most versatile hi quality lens you can get for your camera. Look for refurbs and used. These are not one of the most popular lens' without reason!

With due respect, I couldn't disagree more.

I own the 18-135mm STM, the Canon 15-85mm and the Canon 24-105mm L. The 15-85mm is my long time and all time favorite, btw. I purchased the other two for comparison purposes earlier this year in deciding which to go with as a walk around.

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They all have their strengths but the other two lenses are more practical for APSC and have more positive features than the 24-105mm f4.0 as such.

*The 15-85mm and 18-135mm STM are much wider. 24m just isn't wide enough for APSC often times which means you're simply unable to compose the image as desired. It can be the difference between getting the image or not getting the image.

*Both the other lenses are lighter and have better IS.

*The 18-135mm STM is quite a bit longer than the 24-105mm in addition to being wider. It has silent and fast auto focus.

*Both of those lenses have better overall IQ. The 18-135mm produces much sharper images at the long end. The 24-105mm f4.0 is sharp but it isn't as sharp throughout as the other two lenses.

The 24-105 f4.0 has a constant aperture and is weather sealed. It's a great lens but there are no other real advantages to it than that. Yes, the build is also slightly better but the other two lenses are fine IMO and unless your really beating up your lenses, it won't be a factor.

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Nov 02, 2014 10:02 |  #10

Another budget very underrated lens with fast AF and nice bokeh is Canon EF 28-105mm f/3.5-4.5 II USM (not the F4-5.6 USM, which is pretty bad).
Still can be found new for a very reasonable price, or used even cheaper.


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Nov 02, 2014 10:14 |  #11

Good suggestion algold.

I also agree with Ralph about the relative usefulness (or uselessness) of the 24-105L on a crop sensor.

But I do think the 24-105 is an excellent lens. I also owned the 15-85. It is the equivalent lens on a crop sensor. But I really like a constant aperture lens and the parfocal-ishness of the 24-105.

I completely understand the criticisms of the 24-105. But for me, it is the perfect walk around lens on a full frame and was a major deciding factor for me upgrading since I couldn't find its equivalent on a crop sensor.

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Nov 02, 2014 11:27 |  #12

Ralph III wrote in post #17247492 (external link)
With due respect, I couldn't disagree more.

I own the 18-135mm STM, the Canon 15-85mm and the Canon 24-105mm L. The 15-85mm is my long time and all time favorite, btw. I purchased the other two for comparison purposes earlier this year in deciding which to go with as a walk around.

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They all have their strengths but the other two lenses are more practical for APSC and have more positive features than the 24-105mm f4.0 as such.

*The 15-85mm and 18-135mm STM are much wider. 24m just isn't wide enough for APSC often times which means you're simply unable to compose the image as desired. It can be the difference between getting the image or not getting the image.

*Both the other lenses are lighter and have better IS.

*The 18-135mm STM is quite a bit longer than the 24-105mm in addition to being wider. It has silent and fast auto focus.

*Both of those lenses have better overall IQ. The 18-135mm produces much sharper images at the long end. The 24-105mm f4.0 is sharp but it isn't as sharp throughout as the other two lenses.

The 24-105 f4.0 has a constant aperture and is weather sealed. It's a great lens but there are no other real advantages to it than that. Yes, the build is also slightly better but the other two lenses are fine IMO and unless your really beating up your lenses, it won't be a factor.

Take care,
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I have to agree with Ralph, too. I love the lens on full frame, but the OP specifically stated that he would hate to lose the wide end of his Tamron 17-50, so the 24-105L is not a great suggestion on a crop body.

Either the EFS 15-85 IS or EFS 18-135 IS seem to be your best choices. You just need to decide whether you want more focal range on the wide or long end.


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Nov 02, 2014 11:53 |  #13

algold wrote in post #17247529 (external link)
Another budget very underrated lens with fast AF and nice bokeh is Canon EF 28-105mm f/3.5-4.5 II USM (not the F4-5.6 USM, which is pretty bad).
Still can be found new for a very reasonable price, or used even cheaper.

In addition to this, for around $200 it's usually pretty easy to find a lightly used Canon EF 28-135mm f3.5-5.6 IS USM. A lot of them were sold in kit with various cameras, although it was never designed to be and is better quality than most kit lenses. It covers the range you want very well, is very close focusing, has useful IS, fast/accurate USM (likely faster than your Tamron lenses).... and image quality rivaling that of the far more expensive 24-105L or even the 24-70L.

24-105, 15-85mm, and even the 18-135s are all going to cost more... a whole lot more in some cases.


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Nov 02, 2014 13:22 as a reply to  @ amfoto1's post |  #14

quote by amfoto1..."In addition to this, for around $200 it's usually pretty easy to find a lightly used Canon EF 28-135mm f3.5-5.6 IS USM.... and image quality rivaling that of the far more expensive 24-105L or even the 24-70L".

Wow, I promise you I hate to sound like a butt in disagreeing (but) as the OP and others will use recommendations; I have to disagree once more.

When I first went digital, I upgraded my kit lens (18-55mm) to the Canon 28-135mm and used it for several years. I always thought it was a good lens until I compared it to a first version Canon 18-135mm and the Canon 15-85mm. Those two lenses blew the 28-135mm away. The only exception was the annoying vignetting the first version Canon 18-135mm suffered from and poorer build quality.

I kept the 15-85mm, btw. The newer 18-135mm STM is significantly improved over the original version. The 28-135mm just doesn't compare IMHO and as Digital Picture confirms HERE (external link).

quote by amfoto1...."24-105, 15-85mm, and even the 18-135s are all going to cost more... a whole lot more in some cases."

The OP can get a good used 18-135mm STM from $250.00 to like new at $300.00. I have one for sale HERE if interested.

I used to recommend the Canon 28-135mm but it's a poor recommendation now, given the superior quality of the newer 18-135mm STM with its' similar pricing.

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Nov 02, 2014 13:51 |  #15

Yeah, I'm going to again have to agree with Ralph. The 28-135mm is not in the same class as the others mentioned here. The 24-105L is, IMHO, the sharpest and best performing lens in this group and I stand by my original recommendation given your 30-100mm focal range. It isn't perfect and it isn't designed for crop sensors. But it's weaknesses are on the frame edges where it will excel on a crop sensor. Most photographers using crop sensors don't appreciate the 24mm limit on the wide end. As others have pointed out, 24mm is inadequate for wide angle viewing on a crop sensor body. But from 30mm-100mm, this lens is an excellent performer.

Having said all that, Ralph is correct when it comes to EF-S lens recommendations on crop sensors. The 18-135 is an outstanding almost-super-zoom. Remarkably, the IQ rivals, perhaps even beats, the 24-105. But the 24-105 gives you an extra stop of light at the long end, it has better bokeh (IMO), and you can use it on a full frame if you upgrade.

The 24-105 can be had NIB/LNIB for $600 here and elsewhere. The 18-135 IS STM is $550 new but you can find a good used one for half that.

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If you have to get rid of a lens to fund a new acquisition, and you can't lose any focal range, Ralph's recommendation is correct. Sell the 17-50 and get the 18-135. But recognize that you'll lose 1-2 stops of light.




  
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