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22 days and counting 400 DO II...anyone else in? excited?

 
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Nov 04, 2014 01:53 |  #16

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I have the 300 f2.8 IS II that I use for aviation photography. Most of the time - maybe 90% of the time - I use it with the 1.4xIII to obtain 420mm. With this combo I'm very satisfied with the IQ and AF performance.

But sometimes the planes fly far away or high enough that I wish for more than 420mm. With the 400 DO II and 1.4xIII I'll get 560mm.

So if (and that's a big if) the 400 DO II has IQ equal to or exceeding the 300 f2.8 II & 1.4xIII, and have equal AF performance, then the 400 could replace my 300.

Here's what I'd get...

400 and 560mm focal length instead of my 300 and 420mm.

A weight savings of about 1 lb. Even more if I don't use the tc. This many help when panning.

These two benefits might push me towards the 400 DO II.

Yes... but if you pair the 300 with a 2xTC mkIII you will also have outstanding IQ.... especially stopped down to f7.1 or so. What happens if you ever need 300mm instead of 400?


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Nov 04, 2014 06:47 |  #17

The 400 DO looks like a great upcoming lens! My problem is the focal length... Even with my 300mm on full frame it can be limiting and too much for what I shoot (which is really not wildlife or anything usually) and I hardly even use it with a 1.4x TC! It looks like such a nice lens though... I would likely buy that over the 400 f/2.8 anyday due to size! The new MTF's look really impressive on it.

I look forward to seeing the results people get from the lens! Happy to see DO back in the picture (no pun).


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Nov 04, 2014 23:21 |  #18

Neilyb wrote in post #17251043 (external link)
Yes... but if you pair the 300 with a 2xTC mkIII you will also have outstanding IQ.... especially stopped down to f7.1 or so. What happens if you ever need 300mm instead of 400?

My results with the 300 & 2xIII for aviation photography are mixed, with a low keeper rate. Low enough that I don't use the 2xIII much.


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Nov 05, 2014 11:22 |  #19

That was my problem with the 2x III as well. When it nails the focus its really good, but it can be hit or miss. I really think that using a 1.4x III and cropping results in a better overall image with far better AF accuracy.


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Nov 05, 2014 20:15 as a reply to  @ Invertalon's post |  #20

Neilyb wrote in post #17249062 (external link)
f/4.5 http://www.canon.com.c​n …2usm/img/sample​4_zoom.jpg (external link)

f/4.5 http://obj.fotosidan.s​e …58d5f556316aa97​fe2538.jpg (external link)

Sorry these example do not get me excited, and not even wide open.

Woooow, What a disappointment :(
Thanks a lot you just helped me to save some money ;)


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Nov 05, 2014 21:13 |  #21

Perfectly Frank wrote in post #17253045 (external link)
My results with the 300 & 2xIII for aviation photography are mixed, with a low keeper rate. Low enough that I don't use the 2xIII much.

Quite surprised at your post as I have found exactly the opposite, what camera are you using? Is there a problem with it?
The reason that I query this is that a couple of months ago I tried my Canon 300 F2.8 L IS (Mk1) at an air display for the first time. Although I am interested in aircraft I should state that I am not an aviation photographer - I prefer wildlife. I used my 300 f2.8 simply because it is small and light (relatively!).
On larger aircraft like the Lancaster and B17 etc, I used it as a bare lens but with the single seaters it was a bit too short so I attached my Canon 2x Mk3.
I did go a bit shutter happy but, anyway, I banged off 2000+ frames (about 50/50 with and without the extender) and all were in focus. Admittedly many of the shots were rubbish for exposure and composition but focus was simply not an issue. Admittedly I was using a 1DX so it damn well should focus! However, a few years ago, I shot the Swansea Air display with my Canon 300 F4 L is and 5Dc (both with and without a Canon 1.4 Mk2 extender) and AF was simply not an issue, though there were (literally) 1 or 2 bloopers out of 800+ shots.
If your camera/lens can't capture something like an aircraft in flight reliably the I suspect there is something wrong somewhere.


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Nov 05, 2014 21:23 |  #22

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Woooow, What a disappointment :(
Thanks a lot you just helped me to save some money ;)

Yeah they don't look brilliant do they!
When I looked into the 400DO only the Mk1 was available and one of the ones I tried was poor at best. The other 2 stacked up extremely well against my (then) Canon 600 F4 L IS. They actually out resolved the 600 at the same range! That REALLY surprised me!
I think we will have to give the new DO a bit more time (and a few more users) to see if it really measures up or not.
The 400DO Mk2 would really suit my requirements, but it has to prove itself first - after all I would have to sell my Canon 300 F2.8 IS Mk1 to help pay for it and I am not letting that lens go in a hurry!


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Nov 05, 2014 21:26 |  #23

Neilyb wrote in post #17249062 (external link)
f/4.5 http://www.canon.com.c​n …2usm/img/sample​4_zoom.jpg (external link)

f/4.5 http://obj.fotosidan.s​e …58d5f556316aa97​fe2538.jpg (external link)

Sorry these example do not get me excited, and not even wide open.


Bleh..agreed. I can get those results out of my 100-400 without bothering to try hard :(


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Nov 05, 2014 21:33 |  #24

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Yeah they don't look brilliant do they!
When I looked into the 400DO only the Mk1 was available and one of the ones I tried was poor at best. The other 2 stacked up extremely well against my (then) Canon 600 F4 L IS. They actually out resolved the 600 at the same range! That REALLY surprised me!
I think we will have to give the new DO a bit more time (and a few more users) to see if it really measures up or not.
The 400DO Mk2 would really suit my requirements, but it has to prove itself first - after all I would have to sell my Canon 300 F2.8 IS Mk1 to help pay for it and I am not letting that lens go in a hurry!

Bad start with those pictures (IMO), i am mixed/mitigated now :confused:
But i do agree with you, wait and see when more users will have this lens to forge a more realistic opinion ...


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Nov 05, 2014 21:46 |  #25

Reservoir Dog wrote in post #17254959 (external link)
Bad start with those pictures (IMO), i am mixed/mitigated now :confused:
But i do agree with you, wait and see when more users will have this lens to forge a more realistic opinion ...

Yeah they did look a bit like the shots I got from the poor example of the 3 Mk1 DOs that I tried - I am certain the other two would have been much better under similar conditions. Still I can take crap shots even with my Canon 300 F2.8!
This new DO is an expensive lens so it will have to prove itself before we part with any cash!


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Nov 05, 2014 23:15 |  #26

Invertalon wrote in post #17253808 (external link)
That was my problem with the 2x III as well. When it nails the focus its really good, but it can be hit or miss. I really think that using a 1.4x III and cropping results in a better overall image with far better AF accuracy.

Yup, agree.


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Nov 05, 2014 23:18 |  #27

The sooner the better as to whether I'm crying tears of sadness or elation. I can still find no anticipated release date even in the rumor mills of the web. If any have heard or seen please share.


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Nov 07, 2014 10:20 |  #28

Perfectly Frank wrote in post #17250726 (external link)
I have the 300 f2.8 IS II that I use for aviation photography. Most of the time - maybe 90% of the time - I use it with the 1.4xIII to obtain 420mm. With this combo I'm very satisfied with the IQ and AF performance.

But sometimes the planes fly far away or high enough that I wish for more than 420mm. With the 400 DO II and 1.4xIII I'll get 560mm.

So if (and that's a big if) the 400 DO II has IQ equal to or exceeding the 300 f2.8 II & 1.4xIII, and have equal AF performance, then the 400 could replace my 300.

Here's what I'd get...

400 and 560mm focal length instead of my 300 and 420mm.

A weight savings of about 1 lb. Even more if I don't use the tc. This many help when panning.

These two benefits might push me towards the 400 DO II.

yes but you also lose a stop of light .
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Nov 07, 2014 12:34 |  #29

I have the 400mm DO I, and have been very happy with it. One unique option for that lens is with the 2Xiii, it becomes an 800mm f/8 that is hand holdable, with IS, and auto focus in the 5Diii. That's pretty sweet. The MK II DO promises to be a significant upgrade. The published MTFs look amazing, and the improved IS is welcome.




  
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Nov 07, 2014 13:00 |  #30

So maybe I missed it. What is the target price either in the UK or in the US. Anyone know?


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