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Mallard w 7DMkII at 1600, 3200 and 6400

 
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Nov 09, 2014 10:25 |  #16

Nice shots Eric! Could you possibly take some with the Tamron if you still have it?


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Nov 09, 2014 10:25 |  #17

Lester Wareham wrote in post #17261010 (external link)
I would like to look at the TIFF and raws if I may.

My quandary is comparing the 7DI and II raws at Image Resource for ISO 800/1600 the 7D looks better to me by about 2/3 stop. Yet everyone else finds the 7DII better, so I must be doing some thing wrong.

If you could record your Lightroom settings that would help a lot too.


Glenn Bartley said the Mark II is about 2/3s stop better as well.


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Nov 09, 2014 10:35 |  #18

Lester Wareham wrote in post #17261010 (external link)
I would like to look at the TIFF and raws if I may.

My quandary is comparing the 7DI and II raws at Image Resource for ISO 800/1600 the 7D looks better to me by about 2/3 stop. Yet everyone else finds the 7DII better, so I must be doing some thing wrong.

If you could record your Lightroom settings that would help a lot too.

No problem, Lester. I'll see about getting those posted to dropbox later today (not at the computer for the next several hours). If you haven't seen them posted by tomorrow, shoot me a PM to jog my memory :)

Besides, I don't think your evaluation is too far off, really. If you look at the exif for those files you'll see the the method I used for capturing them; I only increased ISO for each shot and then broght the exposure back down in post. Over-exposing a 2/3 to a stop is typically how I shoot from 1600 and up unless I'm already at my shutter speed threshold for acceptable shots. Shooting RAW that gives me a lot more leeway and keeps the initial noise levels to a minimum.

Also, do note that there are zero shadow areas of any visible note to this image which also drastically minimizes the impacts of noise in any image.


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Nov 09, 2014 14:06 |  #19

Eric, yeah thank you for all these samples and work here, I think this might be my next body with seeing all these awesome pics posted around. for birding in those early mornings I always have my 7D over my shoulder and struggle with those clean early higher iso shots, I think this might be the answer. thanks again for this thread!


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Nov 09, 2014 14:08 |  #20

very cool


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Nov 09, 2014 15:12 |  #21

Lester Wareham wrote in post #17261010 (external link)
I would like to look at the TIFF and raws if I may.

My quandary is comparing the 7DI and II raws at Image Resource for ISO 800/1600 the 7D looks better to me by about 2/3 stop. Yet everyone else finds the 7DII better, so I must be doing some thing wrong.

If you could record your Lightroom settings that would help a lot too.

Hey Lester, ok. The original post has been updated with the straight .CR2 files directly off the card.

As for steps in LR:
Pulled off of the History list for each image
1600:
Import
Apply lens profile correction and check CA removal checkbox
Color Noise Reduction --> 30
Luminance NR --> 30
Sharpening --> 52 w/ Radiaus --> 1.6

3200:
Import Apply lens profile correction and check CA removal checkbox
Exposure --> -0.95 [Bring histogram down to more closely match the 1600 shot]
Clarity --> +7
Color NR --> 61
Luminance NR --> 35
Sharpening -- > 89 w/ Radius --> 1.8 and Edge Masking --> 25

6400:
Import Apply lens profile correction and check CA removal checkbox
Exposure --> -1.07 [Bring histogram down to more closely match the 1600 shot]
Clarity --> +10
Color NR--> 30
Luminance NR --> 36
Sharpening -- > 57 w/ Radius --> 1.5 and Edge Masking --> 17


- Eric S.: My Birds/Wildlife (external link) (7D MkII/5D IV, Canon 10-22 f/3.5-4.5, Canon 24-105L f/4 IS, Canon 70-200L f/2.8 IS MkII, Canon 100-400L f/4.5-5.6 IS I/II)
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Nov 10, 2014 07:42 |  #22

Great set and detail.


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Dec 19, 2014 16:34 |  #23

Amazingly clean! Great quality. Thank you for showing these off.


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Dec 19, 2014 20:55 |  #24

very nice shots - I believe as you noted , the lack of shadows greatly helps the overall image .




  
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Dec 19, 2014 21:08 |  #25

Great to see these results, thanks for posting.

I do have a bit of a not pick about the usefulness of this test, and how it reflects on real world use.

I find that noise is not usually a problem at any ISO when you have light. ( I realize this might have been a gray day )
The worst high ISO noise we dislike really makes it's appearance known when the light is so dark that you NEED to boost the ISO.


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Dec 20, 2014 00:23 |  #26

Thanks for stopping in, guys!

@Jake: I was just more surprised at how similar 6400 was to 1600 in final results. But, yes, you are certainly correct that it will be more important how those ISOs work in darker conditions


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Feb 13, 2016 14:45 |  #27

As a guy who has just bought a 7dmkii i have found this very interesting cos i am really struggling with image quality above 1200iso. I normally use lightroom for my raw processing on my 5dmkiii and 7d mki. But my image quality is poor for the 7dmkii in lightroom. I have never bothered with DPP and am struggling with the settings.


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Feb 13, 2016 15:31 |  #28

copout wrote in post #17896975 (external link)
As a guy who has just bought a 7dmkii i have found this very interesting cos i am really struggling with image quality above 1200iso. I normally use lightroom for my raw processing on my 5dmkiii and 7d mki. But my image quality is poor for the 7dmkii in lightroom. I have never bothered with DPP and am struggling with the settings.

If you have an example or two that you'd like to post here, with exif intact, go ahead and we can see if we can offer some help. The MkII took a slight bit of adaptation coming from the MkI, but there's no reason to not be able to get good results from it at that level.


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Feb 14, 2016 05:34 as a reply to  @ Snydremark's post |  #29

Thanks I will post some. May I please ask do you do any other processing in DPP or do you just turn them into Tiff files. I have always used Lightroom to process the RAW files but Im told by others DPP produces a better file conversion from RAW. Thanks for your time


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Feb 14, 2016 07:46 |  #30

copout wrote in post #17897603 (external link)
Thanks I will post some. May I please ask do you do any other processing in DPP or do you just turn them into Tiff files. I have always used Lightroom to process the RAW files but Im told by others DPP produces a better file conversion from RAW. Thanks for your time

I think a lot of people can produce great pictures in both. Personally I use DPP for a raw conversion to TIFF and work in Photoshop after that, I found DPP produces more detail the Lightroom, but other mileage may vary.


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