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Nov 07, 2014 21:43 |  #2386

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Nov 08, 2014 08:45 |  #2387

Dorian7 wrote in post #17258287 (external link)
The only question now is whether to try and hold out for the potential new camera announcements in jan/feb... hmmm...

Thats what I'm doing. If any thing there will be even better deals on the current models.


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Nov 08, 2014 09:11 |  #2388

shikhan wrote in post #17255918 (external link)
Hi Khukri, the first shots are from Red Rock Canyon in NV. As for my adapter, I'm using a cheap ebay FD-NEX adapter. Overall, I was happy with it, although I fully understand now why Charlie suggested having 1 adapter per lens. I've just bought a second one (trying the fotodoix from Amazon this time) to make changing lenses easier...

I really like the focus peaking, but I have noticed that when I'm at f1.4/f2, sometimes it shows more in focus that actually is. I've found that using focus peaking gets me 95% of the way there, and I'll use the quick zoom to fine tune it. I'm still trying to figure out when to use the different weights of focus peaking though.

I'm far happier with the focus peaking on the A7r than the ML focus peaking system on my 6D though.

Thanks Shikhaan! NV? Lookk so much like the Ladakh Range at 6000 meters, especially the hues/colours.... and range profile!

I am looking to buy a FD adapter. Waitign for some concrete inputs/user advice. Why suggest individual adapters for each lens? Wear to contact surfces or something else? (Adding a lot of bulk to camera bag if you have 5-6 FD lenses..)

By the way other than Metabones, is there any other adapter you know of which is chromium plated on both sides?

Once you have sorted out the different weights of focus peaking, do give me a holler!

Thanks again and happy shooting!




  
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Nov 08, 2014 11:08 |  #2389

khukri wrote in post #17259256 (external link)
Waitign for some concrete inputs/user advice. Why suggest individual adapters for each lens? Wear to contact surfces or something else? (Adding a lot of bulk to camera bag if you have 5-6 FD lenses..)

few reasons

1. FD lenses are cumbersome to mount (slows down the lens change significantly)
2. FD lenses require a rear cap due to protruding piece of metal
3. similar to two, you dont want the rear element exposed, you need the rear cap.

with the mount, you dont have to worry about any of these issues. I dont ever use a rear cap, mounting is really fast.

I only have 4 adapters, but many FD lenses. The reason for 4 is that I only shoot 3 lens at max, usually 28/50/135 and sometimes 28/85. I like the 4th just because of convenience for my macro lens. I do use it a lot at home so I like having it ready.

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By the way other than Metabones, is there any other adapter you know of which is chromium plated on both sides?

rainbowimaging mounts. They're better than Fotga's in that regard, but either is fine. I'de only use one of those two, and stay away from cheaper alternatives. I bought a cheaper one on accident, thought it was the same as my previous Fotga, and fit was horribly wobbly. Rainbowimaging mounts are nice, but a tad heavier than Fotga. They have versions with an without tripod mount. I like the ones without the mount, reduces in bulk.


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Nov 08, 2014 17:26 |  #2390

Got a chance to visit the first ever NYC Festival of Lights (pretty funny since the city is always lit up).

Sony A7r + Canon 16-35L 2.8

Handheld this one across the street. Didnt have space to set the tripod down in between the people and the way one street.

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Found a stair case leading into the building behind this shot to set the tripod down. You can see into the tunnel as well as the NYC street vendors invited to the event. And it wasnt tuesday AM so i was able to park the tripod there :)

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Nov 09, 2014 16:46 |  #2391

The only problem is... it's not robust. Not compared to the 5D Mark III.
That plastic swizzle screen... it's far more prone to getting scratched or damaged than the fixed glass screen Canon uses. Also the amount of plastic on the body, and the smooth surface is far more likely to attach itself to the elements, sand/dust, than Canon's textured surface.
The camera's software is also a little slow and buggy compared to Canon's.
Sony kicks arse in the image quality department but you can see the inexperience they have at a pro grade camera.

Anyway here's a few shots around the city:

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Nov 09, 2014 17:25 |  #2392

Super long exposure from early this morning. 16 stop ND + Canon 16-35L II + MBIV.

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Nov 09, 2014 19:09 |  #2393

Mornnb wrote in post #17261630 (external link)
The only problem is... it's not robust. Not compared to the 5D Mark III.
That plastic swizzle screen... it's far more prone to getting scratched or damaged than the fixed glass screen Canon uses. Also the amount of plastic on the body, and the smooth surface is far more likely to attach itself to the elements, sand/dust, than Canon's textured surface.
The camera's software is also a little slow and buggy compared to Canon's.
Sony kicks arse in the image quality department but you can see the inexperience they have at a pro grade camera.

I use these on my EOS M, 6D and X-E1. Doesn't effect the visibility of the screen at all and it's very scratch resistant, in fact I haven't scratched any of mine yet, though I have cracked one ;)

http://www.amazon.com …=sony+a7+screen​+protector (external link)

As for the body, that's an interesting observation... not sure I agree with it though. My X-E1 is of a similar texture on the top and I haven't had any issues with it, I'm not the most gentle person ever with my cameras, but I also don't treat them like rifles.

Anyway, thanks for all the help everyone in here, the more I look at the A7s the more I want it, so I'm going to start putting away some money and post the 6D for sale this month :)


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Nov 10, 2014 01:59 |  #2394

EverydayGetaway wrote in post #17261857 (external link)
I use these on my EOS M, 6D and X-E1. Doesn't effect the visibility of the screen at all and it's very scratch resistant, in fact I haven't scratched any of mine yet, though I have cracked one ;)

http://www.amazon.com …=sony+a7+screen​+protector (external link)

As for the body, that's an interesting observation... not sure I agree with it though. My X-E1 is of a similar texture on the top and I haven't had any issues with it, I'm not the most gentle person ever with my cameras, but I also don't treat them like rifles.

Anyway, thanks for all the help everyone in here, the more I look at the A7s the more I want it, so I'm going to start putting away some money and post the 6D for sale this month :)

You're welcome. :D

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You've said that you still need the high ISO performance of your 6D. Well, I think that the A7S would be the perfect replacement for your 6D. You could use it as a secondary camera, next to your X-E1. Why?
  • Has even better high ISO performance than your 6D.
  • Is a lot lighter/more compact.
  • Better DR than your 6D.
  • You can still use all of your vintage lenses on it by using various adapters (manual focus + focus peaking).

Several reasons;

-High ISO is only marginally better, I've looked at numerous files and to my eyes it's as near as makes no difference (except in video)
-It costs over a grand more than what I could sell my 6D for
-It only has 1 native lens which interests me (yes, I shoot fully adapted lenses on my 6D for now, but don't intend to forever, I'm just broke :lol:)
-My father (who owns a studio) and my good friend shoot Canon and have nice collections of lenses which they have no qualms letting me borrow
-The 6D allows me potential for growth if my needs change (if I need fast AF, solid macro capabilities, super-telephoto, etc)
-The 6D does everything I need it to do except be smaller, not enough reason for me to sell it now that I have my Fuji

I considered the A7 briefly, but there's really very little reason for me to change my system right now. It works for me and if it ain't broke... ;)


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Nov 10, 2014 07:06 as a reply to  @ jocau's post |  #2395

Has anyone tried for Sony cashback (UK) here? - I bought a A6000 to go with my a7R from Amazon UK (not 3rd party seller) and the serial number came back as invalid (on 2 different cameras)

A thread I started in the Sony Community had a reponnse from a guy who bought from Sony Online UK and his came back with an invalid serial number too , Sony have washed their hands of it completely , including no cashback and I suspect no valid warranty
I was wondering anyone else experienced similar?.. I think the Cashback offer is UK only but not 100% on that.

This last month I realised how good Canon support is compared to these lot... I had 2 stock identical replies "This is not a valid UK or IE serial number,if we can help in any otrher way let us know" and that was it , even after I pointed out items from Sony Online are coming back as invalid


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Nov 10, 2014 09:17 |  #2396

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You're welcome. :D

I'd likely still stand by those claims if it weren't for the fast depreciation of the Sony cameras. I saw a couple A7' for right around $1000 as buy it now on Ebay and Amazon used market and at that price it got me really looking. I really just don't like having my most expensive camera sit around and collect dust... It's a bit like having a sports car that you never drive, I've never been one for garage queens, I drive my BMW daily ;)

I also admit I didn't research the A7s as much as I should have back then, I thought that other than the sensor and a few new bells and whistles it was the same as the other A7' (slow and cruddy AF in low light and laggy EVF in low light being the main concerns). Once I learned of the things they had changed it became a very interesting camera to me, the A7 and A7r are still interesting, but that's largely because of the price for me :lol:


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Nov 10, 2014 10:59 |  #2397

EverydayGetaway wrote in post #17262805 (external link)
I'd likely still stand by those claims if it weren't for the fast depreciation of the Sony cameras. I saw a couple A7' for right around $1000 as buy it now on Ebay and Amazon used market and at that price it got me really looking. I really just don't like having my most expensive camera sit around and collect dust... It's a bit like having a sports car that you never drive, I've never been one for garage queens, I drive my BMW daily ;)

I also admit I didn't research the A7s as much as I should have back then, I thought that other than the sensor and a few new bells and whistles it was the same as the other A7' (slow and cruddy AF in low light and laggy EVF in low light being the main concerns). Once I learned of the things they had changed it became a very interesting camera to me, the A7 and A7r are still interesting, but that's largely because of the price for me :lol:

depreciation of the sony system is certainly a concern, so that's why I bought mine second hand. It was like new condition, and still under warranty.

I'm sure if I sell my A7r a year or even two years from now, I can fetch most of it back. A silent shutter, zero shutter lag, and faster firmware alone may tempt me into an upgrade. DSLR's in general have held prices very well for me. Shot the 5D2 kit for a few years, then when I sold it for the 6D kit, I made money breaking up the kits.... I doubt I can ever do something like that with sony.

the laggy EVF should be no different than Fuji I think. Pretty sure the EOS-M behaves the same way, and it's really dependent on the lens and native ISO. With a F1.X lens, the lag wont be much of an issue, however, with an F4 zoom in the same conditions, there may be noticeably more lag. I display must expose for the scene in the display, and the highest iso boost might not be enough (thats why the A7s doesnt lag in the dark). For reference, I've shot at F1.2/160/3200 with no lag. That's fairly poor light levels, and very rarely do I dip below those light levels. Lower light levels would be in a dimly lit restaurant or lit via street light at night.


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Nov 10, 2014 11:22 |  #2398

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depreciation of the sony system is certainly a concern, so that's why I bought mine second hand. It was like new condition, and still under warranty.

I'm sure if I sell my A7r a year or even two years from now, I can fetch most of it back. A silent shutter, zero shutter lag, and faster firmware alone may tempt me into an upgrade. DSLR's in general have held prices very well for me. Shot the 5D2 kit for a few years, then when I sold it for the 6D kit, I made money breaking up the kits.... I doubt I can ever do something like that with sony.

the laggy EVF should be no different than Fuji I think. Pretty sure the EOS-M behaves the same way, and it's really dependent on the lens and native ISO. With a F1.X lens, the lag wont be much of an issue, however, with an F4 zoom in the same conditions, there may be noticeably more lag. I display must expose for the scene in the display, and the highest iso boost might not be enough (thats why the A7s doesnt lag in the dark). For reference, I've shot at F1.2/160/3200 with no lag. That's fairly poor light levels, and very rarely do I dip below those light levels. Lower light levels would be in a dimly lit restaurant or lit via street light at night.

It being just like the Fuji was why I didn't want to make the switch ;) I love my Fuji, but it drives me up a wall in dim light.

I like the idea of having that freedom when using the A7s, the idea that I can use pretty much whatever lens I want and still be able to frame and shoot just fine in bad lighting, sounds very appealing to me. And the idea that whenever I do get a native lens for it I'll be able to use the AF in low lighting too (right now I'm planning on just getting the body and an adapter though).


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Nov 11, 2014 08:47 |  #2400

Woot got my FL 55 1.2 in the mail yesterday. Great lens for a very small cost.

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have not got to test it out much yet but from just around the house it seems nice and sharp and it focuses very smoothly.

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