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Nov 10, 2014 17:26 |  #1501

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Nov 10, 2014 17:39 |  #1502

TeamSpeed wrote in post #17263477 (external link)
So for those hawk shots, I suspect the lack of fine detail using the 7D2 in great lighting, very fast shutter speeds, and good glass is due to the teleconverter on the 500mm? At 100%, I was hoping for a bit more feather detail, beak detail, etc, but then saw that these were at 700mm, thus the TC might be the culprit?

I really like 0i6a1135ssfbaapotn, that is a great bird pose!

I also think good raw support from programs like Lightroom might make a difference.The SOOC 7d2 jpegs,just like SOOC jpegs from the 5d3,lack fine detail.But when you run the 5D3 raw files through lightroom,the amount of fine details that come out is significant.I have a feeling the same might be true for the 7D2 files.

So far,I have been using the DPP program to process the raw files from the 7D2.This is the first time I'm using DPP,but I am not seeing tha much of a difference between the SOOC jpegs and the DPP processed raw files in terms of fine detail.I think that programs like Lightroom will do better.Atleast that is my hope.

I am not sure how the OP of the photos processed the photos,but that has been my experience so far.Nice shots by the way OP.

just my $.02,

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Nov 10, 2014 18:00 |  #1503

robert614 wrote in post #17263747 (external link)
I also think good raw support from programs like Lightroom might make a difference.The SOOC 7d2 jpegs,just like SOOC jpegs from the 5d3,lack fine detail.But when you run the 5D3 raw files through lightroom,the amount of fine details that come out is significant.I have a feeling the same might be true for the 7D2 files.

So far,I have been using the DPP program to process the raw files from the 7D2.This is the first time I'm using DPP,but I am not seeing tha much of a difference between the SOOC jpegs and the DPP processed raw files in terms of fine detail.I think that programs like Lightroom will do better.Atleast that is my hope.

I am not sure how the OP of the photos processed the photos,but that has been my experience so far.Nice shots by the way OP.

just my $.02,

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DPP uses the same JPG algorithms as the in-camera JPG, and the only way to get a different result would be to tweak the different settings, and then post process the JPG results.

However, the issue I am seeing is the lack of possible detail in some of those shots, and that is most likely the issue of the teleconverter, or I hope anyways. I am hoping to see that the 7D2 has a less aggressive AA filter than the 7D to help with final results.


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Nov 10, 2014 18:09 |  #1504

TeamSpeed wrote in post #17263791 (external link)
DPP uses the same JPG algorithms as the in-camera JPG, and the only way to get a different result would be to tweak the different settings, and then post process the JPG results.

However, the issue I am seeing is the lack of possible detail in some of those shots, and that is most likely the issue of the teleconverter, or I hope anyways. I am hoping to see that the 7D2 has a less aggressive AA filter than the 7D to help with final results.

It is hard to believe the Canon 1.4 x has anything to do with lack of detail not on the canon 300mn f/2.8 IS , 500mm or 600mm primes. I have seen results as good as the bare lens with these canon primes. I own 2 of them and use them all the time.


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Nov 10, 2014 18:23 |  #1505

abacus022 wrote in post #17263693 (external link)
I have set up the speedlights as slave, and on channel 1. Which initiates a red blinking light on the front infrared sensor.

I'm talking abut menus on the camera itself, not the external flashes. What I am trying to do, that I've always had to use 3rd party transmitters on the hotshoe and recievers attached to the flashes for, is to have 2 or 3 external speedlights and softboxes setup, and be able to fire them from my camera without the 3rd party transmitter.

If that makes any sense.

The camera does not connect to the other flashes. The controls for optical wireless flash control are part of the internal flash control menu. Page 272 of the manual describes the setup and configuration for wireless flash.


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Nov 10, 2014 18:48 as a reply to  @ Keyan's post |  #1506

abacus022 wrote in post #17263693 (external link)
I have set up the speedlights as slave, and on channel 1. Which initiates a red blinking light on the front infrared sensor.

I'm talking abut menus on the camera itself, not the external flashes. What I am trying to do, that I've always had to use 3rd party transmitters on the hotshoe and recievers attached to the flashes for, is to have 2 or 3 external speedlights and softboxes setup, and be able to fire them from my camera without the 3rd party transmitter.

If that makes any sense.

Keyan's post above should point you to the relevant page(s) in the user's manual; but, basically, you do still have to go into the flash controls on your camera and enable wireless mode for the popup flash, and have that flash active to do the triggering.


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Nov 10, 2014 18:58 |  #1507

TeamSpeed wrote in post #17263791 (external link)
DPP uses the same JPG algorithms as the in-camera JPG, and the only way to get a different result would be to tweak the different settings, and then post process the JPG results.

However, the issue I am seeing is the lack of possible detail in some of those shots, and that is most likely the issue of the teleconverter, or I hope anyways. I am hoping to see that the 7D2 has a less aggressive AA filter than the 7D to help with final results.

We should also consider the subject distance at which the image was captured. A close subject photographed with a tripod mounted set up will provide maximum details.

Please realize that the bird was quite far away: this is the FF image as captured: by a 20 MP, 1.6 crop camera at 700mm focal L.

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and 100% cropped with zero NR setting in DPP4.1

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Nov 10, 2014 19:15 |  #1508

ruhikant wrote in post #17263910 (external link)
We should also consider the subject distance at which the image was captured. A close subject photographed with a tripod mounted set up will provide maximum details.

Please realize that the bird was quite far away: this is the FF image as captured: by a 20 MP, 1.6 crop camera at 700mm focal L.

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and 100% cropped with zero NR setting in DPP4.1

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Good point.Nice shots by the way.

I still think when better raw support is available,you will be able to extract that last bit of detail out of the raw files.

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Nov 10, 2014 19:18 |  #1509

Still looks like some MFA w/ the TC attached could wring a tiny bit better results, too.


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Nov 10, 2014 19:20 |  #1510

I am very versed in long reach, crops, etc. as I often shot my 7D with my 50-500 with TCs and with my 5D3, I would shoot at 1000mm with my 2x. I can tell you that an 18mpx sensor is very demanding, and thus a 20.2 would be even more so. I will keep an eye out for other samples to see if I continue to see that trend.

I just would have thought a 7D2 with a 500L with a 1.4x TC would show feature detail. It could be MFA, it may be the TC, it may be the camera, it may be atmospheric issues, I am not sure yet from what I am seeing from various samples over the past few days.


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Nov 10, 2014 19:23 |  #1511

Just got my 7DII (literally 30 minutes ago) and am taking a few test shots...I turned on the option to view the focus point on the screen....but it's not showing up when I review images. Anyone else see the focus point on the LCD?

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Nov 10, 2014 20:20 |  #1512

I've had my 7DII for a few days but barely got any sharp shots out of it. I tried it with 4 of my lenses (35IS, 135L, 200/2.8 and 400/5.6), and the focus is all over the place. Sometimes it back-focuses, sometimes it front-focuses, sometimes (rarely) the focus is spot on. These lenses work flawlessly on my 5D3. I shot just static subjects for now, nothing moving. I've been following Kickflipkid687's posts, perhaps my camera has a similar issue.

Here are a few examples from this morning. This little fellow was actually born in our backyard this spring (in a birdhouse we had put up), and is still coming to visit us frequently. He has just been sitting on our bench and looking at me, while I took about 20 shots with the 400/5.6 on a tripod. I shoot this little guy with my 5D3 on occasion and it never misses a single shot. But out of the 20 shots with the 7DII, just 2 came out sharp. I get similar results with my other lenses and other static subjects.

I'm thinking to return the camera and get another one, unless somebody can find something obvious that I might have missed and that may be causing these AF misfires.

For these shots, the camera settings were pretty much default, using just the center AF point. These shots below were made with AF Servo, though I also tried single shot and the results were not any better. Taken with the 400mm f/5.6 lens on a tripod, at 1/1250s and f/5.6. These are crops from the center.

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Nov 10, 2014 20:20 |  #1513

If you are zoomed in the point disappears, make sure you are zoomed out, also try the info button.


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Nov 10, 2014 20:23 |  #1514

Hmm, yeah, that does not seem right. Not good if there is that much copy variation.


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Nov 10, 2014 20:27 |  #1515

Chiefy wrote in post #17263519 (external link)
Picked my 7D2 up today. For those in Canada, Henry's is giving an enhanced trade-in for the 7D until the end of November. I paid $1,800 for the 7D four years ago and today I received $540 as a trade in. I paid less than $1,400 (plus tax). I was on the fence the but trade was too good to pass up.

If you don't mind me asking when did you order? I pre-ordered the kit with the 24-70 from Henry's a month ago & they're advising me another 2-3 weeks still before they fill my order. Not very impressed.




  
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