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Nov 11, 2014 02:09 as a reply to  @ post 17264426 |  #61

That's just software.

But you should be aware that if a full frame camera gets exactly the same AF system as the 7D Mark II, then relative coverage will be less, due to the larger frame to cover. There are optical/physical limitations to how far from the optical center you can go with AF points. Now Canon seems to have found a way to stretch this a bit further, but still, using the same technology will not give the same relative coverage when the frame is larger.

To see this most efficiently, compare the coverage of the AF system in the 1Ds Mark III and the 1D Mark III. They had identical AF systems, but due to the difference in sensor size, relative coverage was still different.


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Nov 11, 2014 09:36 |  #62

have both. 7D ii is not a replacement for the 1d x.


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Nov 11, 2014 10:46 |  #63

bigcountry wrote in post #17264982 (external link)
have both. 7D ii is not a replacement for the 1d x.

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Do you feel the assessment is accurate that ive been reading. Unless you need higher iSO performance or the shallow depth and detail that comes from a full size sensor v/s a crop. then the 7D2 is a great alternative.

Whats the big differences for you because I have no problem stepping up to a 1Dx but im not about to jump to a 400F/2.8.. cant afford to do that at all

For me, with 2 5D3's in the bag, I rarely shoot above 8000 ISO, and I need the reach,, I think its a great way to go.

But your a wedding guy as well so I really would appreciate your input regarding differences. Again, for me, a big screw up on canons part eliminating a crop sensor for a pro body. I think the 7D2 fills this void with the AF system on it as i dont really anticipating going past 3200 with the 7D2

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Nov 11, 2014 11:36 |  #64

bigcountry wrote in post #17264982 (external link)
have both. 7D ii is not a replacement for the 1d x.

well if it was marketed as a replacement they wouldn't start the model with a 7 it would be a 1 :)

while I think I understand what your saying, as my favorite coach used to say. "lets not put him in canton yet" But I would be interested in yours and a few others whom I respect on the 7d2. Will this replace a 1D series, of course not. But like Umphoto.. said, or I think it was him, it might make a good alternative depending on a persons shooting conditions.


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Nov 11, 2014 15:52 |  #65

Its cute when people compare these two cameras saying one is better than the other


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Nov 11, 2014 23:36 |  #66

i took the 1dx, 5d iii and 7d ii to a wedding this past weekend, i then went out and photographed some birds, but i have paying clients i gotta take care of more so than people who will just criticize what i to say, so i will have to save that headache for when i have more time.

sorry for the cute response, but it is what it is.


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Nov 12, 2014 10:51 |  #67

umphotography wrote in post #17265129 (external link)
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Do you feel the assessment is accurate that ive been reading. Unless you need higher iSO performance or the shallow depth and detail that comes from a full size sensor v/s a crop. then the 7D2 is a great alternative.

that's quite a bit of qualifiers going on right there...... just DOF, ISO, and sharpness, who really notices those things?!?!?!


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Nov 12, 2014 11:23 |  #68

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that's quite a bit of qualifiers going on right there...... just DOF, ISO, and sharpness, who really notices those things?!?!?!

Sometimes, especially at a wedding, DOF isn't the critical element, in fact you need larger DOF because there are more group shots, staged or otherwise. High ISO would be useful in the indoor portions of a ceremony, but even then, not all churches are dark, and these days, ISO 6400/12800 is sufficient, and the 7D2 seems to handle that pretty well now.

So if you are doing the portrait (just individuals or couples), the DOF might lend itself to the FF, unless you have a fast prime for your crop, and low light would lend itself to the FF, but in almost any other situation, the 7D2 should work just fine. It will be interesting to see if Mr. Ziser changes over from his 7D to the 7D2 for his wedding business.

Of course Mike has extensively more experience with weddings as its his revenue stream, so he can come in and correct me, as can others that shoot weddings as a revenue stream.


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Nov 12, 2014 11:56 |  #69

World renowned ski photographer talks about the 7D II and new 100-400 as being a potential match made in heaven.

http://dancarrphotogra​phy.com …-canon-100-400mm-l-is-ii/ (external link)


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Nov 12, 2014 12:08 |  #70

Aressem wrote in post #17267563 (external link)
World renowned ski photographer talks about the 7D II and new 100-400 as being a potential match made in heaven.

http://dancarrphotogra​phy.com …-canon-100-400mm-l-is-ii/ (external link)

that 100-400 is just an awesome looking lens period. Only downside is that it doesnt start at 80mm or better 70mm.


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Nov 12, 2014 12:11 |  #71

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that 100-400 is just an awesome looking lens period. Only downside is that it doesnt start at 80mm or better 70mm.

Right. Although I'm sure those buying it are likely buying it for use at the longer end anyhow. I own the 70-200 f/2.8 IS II and would love to be able to shoot at 300 or 400 in many situations on the [Ski] mountain.


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Nov 12, 2014 12:22 |  #72

Aressem wrote in post #17267589 (external link)
Right. Although I'm sure those buying it are likely buying it for use at the longer end anyhow. I own the 70-200 f/2.8 IS II and would love to be able to shoot at 300 or 400 in many situations on the [Ski] mountain.

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works quite well with the 70-200. Wont be on the level of the 100-400 natively, however it's very good in a pinch.


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Nov 12, 2014 12:24 |  #73

Two words... GET REAL...

If you go and look at the video's on the 7D II it has some new bell and Whistles, but mainly this camera is for doing sporting events.. I will keep my 1DX


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Nov 12, 2014 12:28 as a reply to  @ Aressem's post |  #74

You're right. The two 70-200 I have see much more use than the EF 100-400 mm f/4.5-5.6L IS II USM. But when things are far away, then the part between 70 and 100 mm is missed much less than the 200-400 is used.

The 7D Mark II would even allow the 100-400 to add the EF 1.4X III extender and still have some AF, just like my 1DX has.

When I tried to take photos at this place (external link), I used the 100-400 and also the 1.4 extender. That implied manual focus when used on a 7D. If you look at pictures before and after the linked one, you can see that when the focal length is 500+ mm and the image still quite heavily cropped from an APS-C sensor, the I didn't do too well nailing foucs and the lens didn't do too well nailing sharpness either.

So this new lens' improved performance is welcome.

Images like this one (external link) shows that there's more to get at 600 mm, provided you buy expensive enough stuff...

Since I have the 7D and the 1DX, I can of course see that the 7D is quite a bit lower in performance than the 1DX. Thus it would be very interesting to try out the 7D Mark II.

Another thing the 1DX has, which I use pretty frequently, is the Gigabit Ethernet interface. That's missing on the 7D Mark II, at least as long as you don't add a pretty bulky accessory.


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Nov 12, 2014 12:29 |  #75

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i took the 1dx, 5d iii and 7d ii to a wedding this past weekend, i then went out and photographed some birds, but i have paying clients i gotta take care of more so than people who will just criticize what i to say, so i will have to save that headache for when i have more time.

sorry for the cute response, but it is what it is.

would love to see a few of those 7D2 wedding files when you get caught up. I really value what you would have to say and your input

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