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Nov 16, 2014 08:25 |  #31
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Intheswamp wrote in post #17274829 (external link)
GeoKras1989....Spongeb​ob? <chuckle>

Thanks for the responses to my question.

I need to do some studying on crop vs full frame sensors, but for now, I'm under the impression that, with all other things equal, that a full frame sensor *will* produce more image data than a crop sensor...maybe better dynamic range, noise, low-light, ??? .

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Yes, I was quoting Mr. SquarePants. That is THE best show on TV since Wings went off the air.

Anyway, most of the time, for most people, in most situations, there is very little difference between crop and full frame. Jeez, in good light, I am happy with the results from my SX260 for web stuff, and other 'monitor' viewing. I have beautiful 8x10 prints shot with a Panasonic bridge hanging in my home. When you 'need' full frame, you'll know. Of course, if finances permit, there is nothing wrong with buying something just because you want it.


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Nov 16, 2014 09:21 |  #32

You sound like a casual shooter, I think if I were in your shoes I'd go for the crop simply because it will cover pretty much everything you mentioned pretty good all in one camera without a hitch.

I'm not as experienced as many in here, but I do own both and I know my crop gets used more then my FF. Both are excellent camera's though in what they produce but in todays world noise can be handled rather well in post, whereas speed cannot.




  
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Nov 16, 2014 09:37 |  #33

Do a little math: Estimate the percentage of photos you take in each category. For example, if you find that 70% of your photos are photos of people up close and, say, 20% are of landscapes, buildings, and other things that don't move, then going full frame is probably a great idea (6D, the cheapest FF Canon). If you are only shooting sports a small percentage of the time, then maybe a top-rate autofocus system isn't important enough to warrant going to a top-end crop camera.

I went from the Rebel XS to the Rebel T2i before going to my current 6D.

The 6D is not great with autofocus. I miss shots when the subject is moving quickly. But that's okay because the huge majority of my shots are not of any kind of action.

I'm full frame now and will never go back to a crop sensor (that just seems to happen with a lot of people who switch). It's a blessing and a curse, to a certain degree, because I know that if I ever want a really good autofocus system I'll have to upgrade to the 5D3 (which is expensive) or switch to Nikon (they just make better focusing systems). But I know that I won't be going back to a crop sensor.

Again, it really depends on what you like to shoot.

Here's something else to consider: When I shoot with the 6D I have a LOT more room on the sliders in Lightroom. It's much easier to work on noise or sharpen photos. Much more room for error in exposure. The first time I downloaded photos I was blown away by the amount of detail that a full frame camera picks up.

Finally, I'm willing to guess that there are very few people who regret going to full frame.


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Nov 17, 2014 07:59 |  #34

Most responses here have "focused" on
1. the subject in front of the camera and
2. the technology of the camera itself...

but....nearly all have overlooked the elephant in the room....
The one BEHIND the camera...

I can offer reasons for either format in any shooting circumstance...for example...
Shooting sports/wildlife is often said (as seen here) to be better suited for DX/crop sensor for its "reach"....but
I can see where it can be better done with 35mm size sensor because the more narrow depth of field/focus better isolates the subject from the surroundings...but THAT requires better technique and not just better technology...

The greatest concern I have for anyone considering moving from crop to 35mm size sensor is the demanding, more critical nature of the technology....35mm images can require greater input from the photographer....
...greater commitment to knowledge and skill development of better shooting technique...
...one basic example is the larger "canvas" seen in the viewfinder....simply being able to "take in" the entire 35mm size frame, to be able to see the entire frame from corner to corner and composing more elements within it requires a lot more concentration on the part of the shooter than the more "concentrated" view of the crop sensor with its "cropped" frame...
...another is understanding and mastering the Depth of Field...the greater variety of DoF available on the 35mm sensor, from hair-width to deep-focus, is just one of the many options that complicate shooting on a 35mm sensor ...
...and this...more post-processing involvement is often required to achieve the best results the larger sensor can offer...

I shot 35mm sports and portraits and cityscapes for decades before going to DX/crop format and I can see that the DX frame is more than adequate for most photographers...but...
Having shot through that large window....I have this week decided to go back to the 35mm frame...and I'm looking forward to it....


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Nov 17, 2014 08:53 |  #35

kitacanon wrote in post #17276841 (external link)
Most responses here have "focused" on
1. the subject in front of the camera and
2. the technology of the camera itself...

but....all have overlooked the elephant in the room....
The one BEHIND the camera...

You didn't read all the replies then. My reply was solely focused on the OP's personal commitment to photography; their "passion" for photography. In other words, I too am mainly focused on the mind behind the camera, and not merely the technical aspects of crop vs full-frame.


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Nov 17, 2014 09:06 |  #36

I apologize for the oversight and any offense you've taken....post edited accordingly.


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Nov 17, 2014 09:12 |  #37

I have both in question... I prefer the 6D all day every day however the 70d is a great camera too.

I recently shot a cyclecross and found myself switching to the 6D mid way through the shoot much better image quality however the FPS is slower and the AF is a bunch better on the 70D. even with that I'd still choose the 6D




  
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Nov 17, 2014 15:55 |  #38

electricme wrote in post #17276978 (external link)
I have both in question... I prefer the 6D all day every day however the 70d is a great camera too.

I recently shot a cyclecross and found myself switching to the 6D mid way through the shoot much better image quality however the FPS is slower and the AF is a bunch better on the 70D. even with that I'd still choose the 6D

I have a 7D and a 6D. I too find myself moving to the 6D most often due to image quality. However when outside in good light the 7D provides better AF and range so it comes out when the circumstances warrant it.

I did an shoot recently that moved indoors and then outdoors. I brought the 6D to the shoot (It always gets first choice), but the 7D may have been a better choice while outdoors, I regretted not bringing both.


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Nov 17, 2014 16:25 |  #39

I think I concluded that by going out fullframe ...

I'm going back to the crop.

70D or 7D?

Still worth buying a new 7D? It is the same price as the 70D.

Or am better off with the 70D?


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Nov 17, 2014 16:31 |  #40

GeoKras1989 wrote in post #17269712 (external link)
This reads like someone who is looking for a good excuse to buy a 6D. Permission granted. If you want one, and can afford one, with all that implies, go buy one. You will be happy with. I did that a year ago, and couldn't be happier.

Yeah you just described me except I've only had the 6D for a couple of months but I love it and have no regrets.


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Nov 17, 2014 16:39 |  #41

Depends on which featureset you're interested in. I prefer the physical controls and processing speed of the 7D, but others really enjoy the slightly higher resolution and articulated screen of the 70D. It would be pretty difficult to say you were going wrong with either one. Given the original discussion, I suppose I would have to give the nod to the 70D in your case.


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Nov 19, 2014 07:40 |  #42

...and this...
....no tool is "forever"....if you get one and not another, and it doesn't "fit"...then find another...it takes time to learn how to use a camera and get the most from it...

...and consider any co$t/lo$$ from switching a "rental" fee.


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Nov 20, 2014 14:13 |  #43

I think i will go for the 70D...


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