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Nov 19, 2014 14:14 as a reply to  @ post 17281702 |  #4261

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It's somewhat painful to do - to deliberately expose poorly - but I will sometimes purposefully underexpose one stop to avoid going up a stop in ISO.

Sure, it's bad photography practice to under-expose (from a get-it-right-in-camera) standpoint, but shooting that way leverages the Sony sensor's unique strength: shadow and exposure recovery. It's unthinkable with a 5D III, which has horrible noise in shadows/underexposed areas, but works great with the a7. It may not be a good solution for you, but give it a try and see if it's a work-around towards minimizing ISO noise.


Typically thats what I do and i've done that with my 5D3. I'll give it another shot and focus on lower ISO and mess with the shadows and highlights a bit more.


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Nov 19, 2014 14:17 |  #4262

xpfloyd wrote in post #17281769 (external link)
Sorry I didn't realise that said "no lenses". What I meant was frustrating was the lack of primes in the 1.2-2.0 range like a 35, 85, 135 etc. I'm hopeful they will come eventually though.

The 55 is an amazing lens so my hopes are high

Agree. I'm looking forward to seeing the upcoming 35mm f/1.4. That is a prime focal length I need to address.

I'm afraid 2015 is going to be mental torture from a new gear standpoint. Already I am completely unable to resist Canon's new 100-400L II - looks absolutely amazing and I must have it (spoken in a maniacal voice). And I plan to buy a new body (a9 maybe?). That new body may well be my last one for several years to come due to planned lifestyle changes, so I have to choose well. And then there is that FE 35mm f/1.4. Ugh - too many cool things, not enough budget. :lol:

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thanks guys :)

I failed to be timely in chiming in....Nice shots!


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Nov 19, 2014 14:22 |  #4263

David Arbogast wrote in post #17281785 (external link)
Agree. I'm looking forward to seeing the upcoming 35mm f/1.4. That is a prime focal length I need to address.

I'm afraid 2015 is going to be mental torture from a new gear standpoint. Already I am completely unable to resist Canon's new 100-400L II - looks absolutely amazing and I must have it (spoken in a maniacal voice). And I plan to buy a new body (a9 maybe?). That new body may well be my last one for several years to come due to planned lifestyle changes, so I have to choose well. And then there is that FE 35mm f/1.4. Ugh - too many cool things, not enough budget. :lol:

could have sworn you said that about the 5d3... :lol:




  
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Nov 19, 2014 14:24 |  #4264

DTBaan wrote in post #17281801 (external link)
could have sworn you said that about the 5d3... :lol:

:lol: :lol: :lol: You misremembered. :lol: :lol: :lol:

I really really really mean it this time. In a few years you guys are all going to be having fun discussing your new a9 IV's and I'll still be stuck with my crappy ol' original a9.


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Nov 19, 2014 14:42 |  #4265

David Arbogast wrote in post #17281688 (external link)
In the space of one year there are zooms covering 16mm-200mm. Also, there are the excellent 35mm and 55mm primes. Next year promises more lenses. That is not "no lenses".

Be realistic. Just how many lenses can a company reasonably develop and roll out in the space of a single year? Sure, there are not a whole lot of choices right now, and I truly want them to speed up the new lens roll-outs, but it's crazy to expect them to have a complete lineup of everything from 14mm-800mm in one year.

I do think the platform's smaller size has some disappointing built-in lens limitations. For instance: will Sony be releasing zooms with constant f/2.8? That's a big lens on a tiny camera, so I'm not sure. They will be rolling out a new 35mm f/1.4 next year, so maybe the faster aperture zooms are coming. Just put everything in perspective: it's only been one year into this full-frame e-mount platform.

One full yr and how many different cameras, come on. I would love A7 but AF is not close to A6000. Why? A7 has phase detect but not on A7r, A7s unless I am mistaken. Now most here are shooting landscapes so f4 zooms does't matter. Same with AF but for dome like me fast primes and nicer AF would be real nice. So far it is slow zooms.


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Nov 19, 2014 14:44 |  #4266

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Fair point, but I think people's frustration comes more from the fact that Sony seems more eager to develop and released bodies than lenses and that seems bass akwards to me.

Agree. Have a roadmap with bodies and lenses, so easier for folks who planning to move from other systems to Sony.


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Nov 19, 2014 14:49 |  #4267

bobbyz wrote in post #17281855 (external link)
Agree. Have a roadmap with bodies and lenses, so easier for folks who planning to move from other systems to Sony.

There is a roadmap for lenses. Have you not seen it?
http://photorumors.com …/01/Sony-lens-roadmap.jpg (external link)

But, I guess you want both bodies and lenses on the same roadmap. I don't know - that seems like another unrealistic expectation. Can you cite an example where another company has done all that? Is there another company that started out a new platform and absolutely nailed it with the right number/type of new lenses and bodies in the first year?


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Nov 19, 2014 15:13 |  #4268

David Arbogast wrote in post #17281861 (external link)
There is a roadmap for lenses. Have you not seen it?
http://photorumors.com …/01/Sony-lens-roadmap.jpg (external link)

But, I guess you want both bodies and lenses on the same roadmap. I don't know - that seems like another unrealistic expectation. Can you cite an example where another company has done all that? Is there another company that started out a new platform and absolutely nailed it with the right number/type of new lenses and bodies in the first year?

Fuji.

56mm f1.2
90mm f2 coming early next yr
16mm f1.4 coming before mid next yr
23mm f1.4
40-150mm f2.8 IS

Now they don't have FF sensor but other than that very very nice lenses. So far I have picked up 14mm f2.8, 23mm f1.4, 35mm f1.4, and 56mm f1.2 and loving them all that I am using my 5dmk3 a lot less. Lenses are as good as any canon L glass and the aperture ring on a lens is such a nice feature. AF performance is still behind dSLR but I am getting almost same or better keeper rate as when using 6d for my kids shots.


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Nov 19, 2014 15:20 |  #4269

BTW - Thanks for the link. Hope we can get those 85mm f1.8 OSS, 35mm f1.4 and 135mm f2.


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Nov 19, 2014 15:22 |  #4270

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Fuji.

56mm f1.2
90mm f2 coming early next yr
16mm f1.4 coming before mid next yr
23mm f1.4
40-150mm f2.8 IS

Now they don't have FF sensor but other than that very very nice lenses. So far I have picked up 14mm f2.8, 23mm f1.4, 35mm f1.4, and 56mm f1.2 and loving them all that I am using my 5dmk3 a lot less. AF performance is still behind dSLR but I am getting almost same or better keeper rate as when using 6d for my kids shots.

That was all in the first year of an all-new camera/lens platform? Impressive! Still, it's not numerically better than Sony's output of three zooms and two primes (all this year).

Still, I thought you were complaining of a lack of a body+lens roadmap. Is there a Fuji roadmap for bodies too? I've never seen that before, so was curious if it really existed.

Also, isn't Fuji planning to release a FF mirrorless soon? I thought I saw some discussion about that a while back. It will be great when there is more than one company with a FF mirrorless body.


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Nov 19, 2014 16:03 |  #4271

Fuji also had 10-24 f4 IS zoom this yr. And here are other lenses in the lineup. And I am not including slower zooms.

60mm f2.4 macro
35mm f1.4
27mm f2.8
18mm f2
14mm f2.8

Next yr they will have 16-55mm f2.8 also and later in next yr a 400mm telephoto zoom but I think f5.6 kind.


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Nov 19, 2014 16:11 |  #4272

bobbyz wrote in post #17281902 (external link)
Fuji.

56mm f1.2
90mm f2 coming early next yr
16mm f1.4 coming before mid next yr
23mm f1.4
40-150mm f2.8 IS

Now they don't have FF sensor but other than that very very nice lenses. So far I have picked up 14mm f2.8, 23mm f1.4, 35mm f1.4, and 56mm f1.2 and loving them all that I am using my 5dmk3 a lot less. Lenses are as good as any canon L glass and the aperture ring on a lens is such a nice feature. AF performance is still behind dSLR but I am getting almost same or better keeper rate as when using 6d for my kids shots.


Fuji lenses are pretty solid, I really enjoyed the 56 1.2 and 23 1.4. Unfortunately their sensors and I just didn't get along. Great system though.


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Nov 19, 2014 16:11 |  #4273

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Fuji also had 10-24 f4 IS zoom this yr. And here are other lenses in the lineup. And I am not including slower zooms.

60mm f2.4 macro
35mm f1.4
27mm f2.8
18mm f2
14mm f2.8

Next yr they will have 16-55mm f2.8 also and later in next yr a 400mm telephoto zoom but I think f5.6 kind.

All those lenses were released in the first year of the camera platform's release? Very impressive. You're right then, Sony has done very little in comparison to that one-year output in the camera platform's first year.

Bobby, what are your thoughts about those fast lenses on a FF mirrorless. Would they be significantly bigger? I just keep wondering if Sony will ever release a lot of fast glass. People seem to complain when lenses are out of proportion with the size of body. I sincerely appreciate your frustration over a lack of native fast glass for the FE mount.


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Nov 19, 2014 16:14 |  #4274

I'll take f/1.8 all day long if as good as the 55


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Nov 19, 2014 16:52 |  #4275

David Arbogast wrote in post #17282017 (external link)
All those lenses were released in the first year of the camera platform's release? Very impressive. You're right then, Sony has done very little in comparison to that one-year output in the camera platform's first year.

Bobby, what are your thoughts about those fast lenses on a FF mirrorless. Would they be significantly bigger? I just keep wondering if Sony will ever release a lot of fast glass because people complain when lenses are out of proportion with the size of body. I truly agree with your frustration over a lack of native fast glass for the FE mount.

I think fast lenses on FF are going to be bigger and only little smaller than dSLR equivalents. But I would be happy if I had 35mm, 85mm and 135mm equivalents in mirrorless.

I bought Fuji 56mm f1.2 recently and it is really good, seems as good as my 85L except 85L on FF is really shallow DoF. Maybe bigger DoF of 1.5x crop on Fuji masks some of the focus errors one might see with FF, I don't know. For day to day shooting, I am liking the Fuji. 56mm f1.2 and XT-1 weights less than 85L, at least seems like it. I was worried about small body with big lens but it is not bad. Now with upcoming 90mm f2 (bigger lens) it might be different.


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