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7D2, 1Dx, 5D3 Owners- How to make AF system work better for you

 
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Nov 19, 2014 21:12 |  #46

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The customization options for this camera are awesome. Including the trigger, you can now activate one of 3 distinct shooting modes just by pressing a single button (trigger, AF-ON, *)

So sweet!

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Nov 19, 2014 21:40 |  #47

I just sent my 7D2 back for focus issues...so this is from memory...

As some of the above posts have mentioned, you can assign a specific shooting mode to the AF-ON and * buttons. For example, I assigned my AF-ON to start metering+AF start, activate ZONE AF, AND switch to CASE 4 focusing. I then assigned * to metering+AF start, activate 4 point expansion AF, and switch to CASE 2 for focusing. The trigger button will of course take pictures in any mode that you are currently using.

See posts by kesterc and Keyan earlier in the thread.

The amount of customization is really cool and I think really innovative from Canon. Now if they'd only give us trap focus...and update the 5D3 firmware to match...

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Nov 19, 2014 21:53 |  #48

I see. I just programmed the * button to toggle back and forth between one shot and AI Servo. I skimmed over what you posted somewhere somewhere else but never really looked into it yet. Back to the
manual. Thanks.


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Nov 19, 2014 21:57 |  #49

Once you assign AF-ON or * to something, there should be a message at the bottom of the screen that says something like "Press INFO for Detail"...which then allows you to set more stuff. It's brilliant, and addresses one of the small gripes I have with the 5D3 (being able to set a button to a specific alternate shooting config).

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Nov 19, 2014 22:03 |  #50

Thanks for the tip!


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Nov 19, 2014 22:15 |  #51

Your tip was like pressing the easy button :) That info button sure comes in handy in many menus.


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Nov 19, 2014 22:30 |  #52

It's so easy to miss!

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Nov 19, 2014 22:47 |  #53

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Agreed. Anders had access to some great info on the priority subject compared to the manual. Canon leaves you with trying to interpret how something works but I guess the manual would be so big it would have to come in it's own box. Trying to find the info can be frustrating.

Even the AF PDF does not go into that detail. It states that if speed is selected in second priority "continuous shooting speed will not drop off" which threw me off with the focus re-checking stuff.

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This is a very good thread Mike.


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Nov 20, 2014 04:59 |  #54

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It states that if speed is selected in second priority "continuous shooting speed will not drop off" which threw me off with the focus re-checking stuff.

I've collected my information from several different documents Canon have published over time. The sentence I quoted from you should be interpreted as Continuous shooting speed will not drop off, since at max frame rate there is room for one single distance measurement/focus update cycle between each frame. But only one such cycle.


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Nov 20, 2014 07:12 |  #55

Thanks for the info. Nice to have more detail on now how your equipment works.


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Nov 20, 2014 07:39 |  #56

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I'm hoping to get out toady but it is supposed to be warmer on the weekend so we will see.

Static shots were fine. I want to try a few things using AI Servo.

1. I am going to reduce the frame rate from 10 to 7 or 8. There was blurb about choosing the fastest rate using a 300L F4 IS.

2. I'm going strictly single point or expanded for this round. This is the method I used for years so I will just work with it for now. I was experimenting with zones and none zone settings last time. One thing at at time.

3. Case #. I never changed the parameters using my 5D3 and don't really plan to with my 7D2. I did read up on the parameters and I may some day. The 6 case #'s provided seem to cover a good range. Probably just going to stick to Case 1 or 2 for now. If I find something erratic then I may try a case suited for that.

4. 1st and 2nd priority. As I had mentioned earlier I switched both to Focus. This seems to be a mixed bag. Some set to Focus and others to the factory setting - Equal.

Here is a link for 1Dx settings and the 7D2 is similar. HIs 1st and 2nd priority choice is about ½ way down. This link was at both Fred Miranda and DPreview.

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So to keep things simple is not to make too many adjustments. Only changes significant changes I made the first round was setting 1st and 2nd priority to Focus. Since I have not found a way to find this in the shooting info I may just start with Equal. Next time try Focus.


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Nov 20, 2014 09:44 as a reply to  @ digital paradise's post |  #57

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Something i dont recall seeing on the 1Dx when i tested it.

AF menu 2nd screen

A1 serrvo 1st image priority and 2nd image priority

These can be controlled

I have moved my settings towards Focus v/s being in the middle and/or to the right for release. I am less concerned about speed ad more concerned with the shot being in focus when the camera clicks it off..when i read about this on page 37 of the AF Guide I think thats where he information was going

Is this right ?? and those that are more familiar what is this new menu trying top get us to think about


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Nov 20, 2014 10:05 |  #58

Yes.

1st priority which is the first shot. Basically in Focus the manual states the system will not let you take the shot unless it is in focus.

Equal (like Anders stated) - if the first AF attempt fails then it will make a few more attempts to acquire focus but eventually will release the shutter whether it is in focus or not.

Release makes one attempt and then releases the shutter if the image is in focus or not.

2nd priority is the second shot after the first. You can be in single shooting or continuous. As long as you don't release the shutter all the way because the system then goes back to 1st priority and has to require focus lock again. This is where the back focus button comes in handy or if you are really good with the shutter - never letting it go up past half travel to maintain focus tracking.

Same rules apply in 2nd priority. Focus will not let you shoot subsequent frames unless it is in focus. Equal makes several attempts and speed will take one measurement and then fire away whether it is focus or not.

That is why that sports shooter fellow stated that he leaves both in Equal because the AF system is so good he has no issues. It is just a personal preference and I too like to know my system has verified focus every time.


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Nov 20, 2014 10:11 |  #59

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Yes.

1st priority which is the first shot. Basically in Focus the manual states the system will not let you take the shot unless it is in focus.

Equal (like Anders stated) - if the first AF attempt fails then it will make a few more attempts to acquire focus but eventually will release the shutter whether it is in focus or not.

Release makes one attempt and then releases the shutter if the image is in focus or not.

2nd priority is the second shot after the first. You can be in single shooting or continuous. As long as you don't release the shutter all the way because the system then goes back to 1st priority and has to require focus lock again. This is where the back focus button comes in handy or if you are really good with the shutter - never letting it go up past half travel to maintain focus tracking.

Same rules apply in 2nd priority. Focus will not let you shoot subsequent frames unless it is in focus. Equal makes several attempts and speed will take one measurement and then fire away whether it is focus or not.

That is why that sports shooter fellow stated that he leaves both in Equal because the AF system is so good he has no issues. It is just a personal preference and I too like to know my system has verified focus every time.


OK thanks. Ive got mine moved to focus. When i went out and tested burst i saw a lot of misses.

Not sure why spraying a lot of bullets at the subject is such a great idea if most of them are missing. Seems to me one good shot B/T the eyes solves most problems these days :-).........thats my thought process anyway


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Nov 20, 2014 10:20 |  #60

I noticed that on my first outing but I'm still wondering if the 10 FPS was the main culprit. I was using a 300L F4 IS in continuos mode so the system may have been struggling to get to 10. That is why I reduced fps for the next test.

It also states that to achieve 10 fps iTR and anti flicker should be disabled. When I tried zone iTR would have been enabled.

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